Moment of Inertia of a non-uniform density paraboloid

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The problem involves finding the moment of inertia of a paraboloid defined by the function f(x,y)=x^2+y^2, with a non-uniform density function ρ(r)=cr. The original poster seeks to express the answer in terms of mass M and height H.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the dimensionality of the object and the meaning of the notations used, such as f(x,y), r, and θ. There are suggestions to switch to cylindrical coordinates and to clarify the bounds of integration for the volume and mass calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to derive the moment of inertia and mass, with some participants questioning the correctness of the results and the bounds of integration. There is no explicit consensus on the final approach or results, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for proper bounds in the integration process and clarify that the relationship z=r^2 applies only to specific surfaces of the paraboloid, not the entire volume.

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Find the moment of inertia of a paraboloid f(x,y)=x^2+y^2 whose density function is ρ(r)=cr=dm/dv. use mass M and height H to express your answer

2. The attempt at a solution

I took the double integral ∫∫r^2 ρ r dr dθ to find the I of a single disk as a function of r

Beyond that I need some help.
 
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Is it a three dimensional or a two-dimensional object?
Explain the notations. What is f(x,y)? What are r and theta?

ehild
 
ehild said:
Is it a three dimensional or a two-dimensional object?
Explain the notations. What is f(x,y)? What are r and theta?

ehild

It appears to be a standard notation. If f(x,y) is plotted on the z-axis then the object is the surface of revolution of a parabola (a cross section of the object in any plane containing the z-axis is a parabola).

I'd suggest switching to cylindrical coordinates and expressing r in terms of z (or h since the problem wants the results in terms of Height and Mass). Integrate over h. A mass element is then a ring of radius \sqrt{h} with the appropriate density for that radius.
 
gneill said:
It appears to be a standard notation.

Gneill, I know it! I asked the OP and wanted him to find it out.

ehild
 
ehild said:
Gneill, I know it! I asked the OP and wanted him to find it out.

ehild

My apologies. Sorry for putting my muddy footprints all over your nice clean thread :blushing:
 
Yes, it is standard notation. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I integrated with z=r^2, dz=2rdr

I found c to be (5M)/(2πr^5). Final result was ()MH, can anyone verify this for me?

∫∫r^2 cr r dr dθ =
c∫∫r^4 dr dθ =
(c2πr^5)/5
∫(c2πr^5)/5 2rdr =
(c4πr^7)/35

M=∫ρ dv
V=∫πr^2 dz = ∫πr^2 2r dr = (1/2)πr^4
dv=2πr^3dr
M = ∫2πcr^4dr = (2πcr^5)/5
c = 5M/(2πr^5)

Plugging in c and setting r^2 = H
(2/7)MH
 
You get both I and M by volume integral, integrating with respect to θ, r and z between appropriate bounds. I do not see the bounds of integration. Make them clear, please. I do not think your result for M is correct.


ehild
 
Idisk = <br /> \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r r^2\rho\,r\,\mathrm{d}r\,\mathrm{d}\theta<br />

M = \int_0^V\rho\,\mathrm{d}v

Change of variable to r gives different bound in the next part

M = 2\pi\int_0^r\rho\,r^3\,\mathrm{d}r

which I think holds true with the relationship z=r2
 
emgram769 said:
Idisk = <br /> \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^r r^2\rho\,r\,\mathrm{d}r\,\mathrm{d}\theta<br />

M = \int_0^V\rho\,\mathrm{d}v

Change of variable to r gives different bound in the next part

M = 2\pi\int_0^r\rho\,r^3\,\mathrm{d}r

which I think holds true with the relationship z=r2
No, it is not true. z=r2 is true only for one of the boundary surfaces of the paraboloid, not for the whole volume.

You need the mass and the moment of inertia of a paraboloid - a three dimensional object, bounded by surfaces f(x,y)=x^2+y^2 and g(x,y)=H.
If you integrate with respect to r , the bound of the definite integral can not be r. It has to be a specified value.
If you use cylindrical system of coordinates, the volume element is dV=rdrdθdz and
M=\int_0 ^{r_{max}}\int_{z_1(r)}^{z_2(r)} \int_0 ^{2 \pi}{\rho r d\theta dz dr }

Find the proper bounds z1, z2 and rmax. As the integrand depends only on r,

M=\int_0 ^{r_{max}}{\rho r \left( \int_{z_1(r)}^{z_2(r)}{dz}\right)dr} \int_0 ^{2 \pi}{d\theta }=2\pi \int_0 ^{r_{max}}{ \rho(r) r \left(z_1(r)-z_2(r)\right) dr}

ehild
 

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