Moment of inertia: vector derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the moment of inertia in a vector context, specifically focusing on the transition between mathematical representations involving torque and matrices. Participants are exploring the relationship between the components of vectors and their representation in matrix form.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the steps involved in deriving a matrix representation from vector components. Questions are raised about specific transitions in the derivation process, particularly from one line to another in the mathematical representation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of how to express vector components in matrix form, with some participants providing partial derivations and others questioning the correctness of their representations. Guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of vectors and matrices, but no consensus has been reached on the complete derivation.

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Some participants express uncertainty about their understanding of the matrix representation and its relation to the original vector equations. There is a recognition of potential errors in earlier representations, and a desire to clarify these points further.

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We have the representation of torque attached. The components of r are (x,y,z).
Where did the matrix come from and how did we get the stuff in the matrix? (Basically I understand all the steps except the step from the 3rd line to the 4th line.)
Thank you very much!
 

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Hey sparkle! :smile:

Did you try to write out the 3rd line?

$$mr^2 \mathbf{α} = (r^2 I) \mathbf{α}$$

$$(\mathbf{r} \cdot \mathbf{α})\mathbf{r} = ([x\ y\ z] \cdot \mathbf{α}) \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix} = ([x\ y\ z] \cdot \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix})\mathbf{α}$$

(You can check that last equality by writing it out in components.)
 
Hi I like Serena! :smile:

Do we get:
$$ (\mathbf{r} \cdot \mathbf{α})\mathbf{r} = ([x\ y\ z] \cdot \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix})\mathbf{α} = (x^2 + y^2 + z^2)\mathbf{α}$$
$$∴ mr^2 \mathbf{α} - m(\mathbf{r} \cdot \mathbf{α})\mathbf{r} = m(r^2 - x^2 - y^2 - z^2)\mathbf{α}$$

I still don't see how we get the 3X3 matrix :confused:

Thanks again!
 
I have to admit that my representation was not correct. Sorry.

Let's write it out in its components.

$$ (\mathbf{r} \cdot \mathbf{α})\mathbf{r} = (x α_x + y α_y + z α_z ) \begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z \end{bmatrix}=...$$

Can you turn this into a vector without a factor in front?
And then split off ##\mathbf{α}## yielding a matrix?
 
Okay, I got
$$\left(
\begin{array}{ccc}
x^2 & xy & xz \\
xy & y^2 & yz \\
xz & yz & z^2 \end{array}
\right)\mathbf{α}$$

How does $$r^2 - matrix$$ work?
Thanks! :)
 
sparkle123 said:
How does $$r^2 - matrix$$ work?
Thanks! :)

It's
$$r^2 \mathbf{α} - matrix \mathbf{α}$$

and
$$r^2 \mathbf{α} = r^2 \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 &1 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} \mathbf{α} = \begin{pmatrix} r^2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & r^2 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & r^2 \end{pmatrix} \mathbf{α}$$
 
Oh thank you! I should brush up on matrices hehe :)
 

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