Momentum and percent kinetic energy loss

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a collision between two cars, focusing on the concepts of momentum and kinetic energy loss. The original poster presents a scenario where a moving car collides with a stationary car, resulting in a completely inelastic collision, and seeks to determine the final speed of the combined vehicles while addressing the nature of energy loss in such collisions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between kinetic energy loss and momentum conservation in collisions. The original poster attempts to apply the kinetic energy formula to find the final speed after the collision but expresses confusion over the calculations and the expected results. Questions arise regarding the definition of completely inelastic collisions versus inelastic collisions, and the conditions under which energy is lost.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of energy loss in collisions and clarifying the definitions of inelastic and completely inelastic collisions. Some participants have offered corrections to the original poster's calculations, leading to a more accurate understanding of the problem. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final interpretation of the concepts discussed.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the conservation of momentum in the context of energy loss during collisions. The original poster's confusion about the calculations and definitions highlights the complexity of the topic, particularly regarding the distinction between different types of inelastic collisions.

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Homework Statement


1.) A 1200 kg car traveling at 20 m/s collides with a stationary 1400 kg car. The two cars lock together. Determine the speed of the vehicles immediately after the collision if 80% of the initial kinetic energy is converted to heat and sound during the collision

2.) Must all kinetic energy be lost in a collision for the collision to be considered completely inelastic? Explain

Homework Equations


Ek = 1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


For both of these questions I have the answers to them in the book but I can't seem to arrive at/understand the solution.
1.) 80% loss so..
4/5 Ekintial = Ekfinal
(4/5) * (1/2)(1200 kg)(20 m/s)2 + 0 = (1/2)(1200 kg + 1400 kg)(v2)
v^2 = 147.6923 m/s
v = 12.15 m/s
The answer should be 6.1 m/s according to my textbook though.

2. ) "No. As much as possible must be lost without violating the Law of Conversation of momentum" is the answer in the book.

Does this mean the maximum energy lost while the momentum of the system is equal for both the initial and final?

also, how do I know if an equation is completely inelastic rather than just inelastic?
 
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physicsstudent30192 said:
1.) 80% loss so..
4/5 Ekintial = Ekfinal

check ,why using lost energy for calculation?
 
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physicsstudent30192 said:
how do I know if an equation is completely inelastic rather than just inelastic?

if the dissipative forces /inelastic deformations are there then one can say the collision is inelastic-the proof is non equality of energy before and energy after the event. however momentum is conserved.
completely inelastic means bodies joined/stick together during collision due to inelastic forces.
 
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drvrm said:
check ,why using lost energy for calculation?

Oh wow, I should read over the questions better...changed the 4/5 to 1/5 and it worked. Thanks drvrm for both answers.
 

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