Momentum cut-off regularisation & Lorentz invariance

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The discussion revolves around the implications of introducing a hard cut-off in momentum space, specifically examining how it affects Lorentz invariance. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of cut-offs in the context of physics, particularly focusing on energy scales and their invariance properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why a hard cut-off defined by ##p^{2}=\Lambda^{2}## breaks Lorentz invariance, suggesting it may introduce a non-invariant energy scale.
  • Others argue that the equation ##p^{2}=p_0^2-{\bf p}^2## is Lorentz invariant, but the introduction of a finite cut-off does not lead to finite physical quantities.
  • It is proposed that replacing the Lorentz invariant form with a Euclidean scalar product ##p^{2}_E=p_0^2+{\bf p}^2## results in a loss of Lorentz invariance.
  • Participants discuss the possibility of Euclidean invariance and question whether a cut-off can be Lorentz invariant, with some asserting that it cannot.
  • A participant provides a physical intuition by suggesting that a maximal energy-momentum vector leads to a special Lorentz frame, which contradicts Lorentz invariance.
  • There is a suggestion that a hard cut-off introduces an energy scale that is not Lorentz invariant, with some participants agreeing that this characterization is not incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of cut-offs on Lorentz invariance, with some asserting that cut-offs inherently break this invariance while others explore the nuances of the definitions involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitive relationship between cut-offs and Lorentz invariance.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of invariance and the implications of introducing energy scales. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions underlying the arguments presented.

Frank Castle
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Why is it that introducing a hard cut-off ##p^{2}=\Lambda^{2}## breaks Lorentz invariance? Is it simply that it introduces an energy scale and energy is not a Lorentz invariant quantity?

Sorry if this is a trivial question, but I just want to make sure I understand the reasoning as I've heard/read it being stated, but never fully appreciated why.
 
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Frank Castle said:
Why is it that introducing a hard cut-off ##p^{2}=\Lambda^{2}## breaks Lorentz invariance? Is it simply that it introduces an energy scale and energy is not a Lorentz invariant quantity?
Well, if the cut-off is defined by
$$p^{2}=\Lambda^{2}. . . . . (Eq. 1)$$
then it does not break Lorentz invariance, because
$$p^{2}=p_0^2-{\bf p}^2. . . . . (Eq. 2)$$
is Lorentz invariant. However such a cutoff does not really make physical quantities finite because, with finite positive ##\Lambda^{2}##, (Eq. 1) allows ##p_0## and ##|{\bf p}|## to be arbitrarily big. To bound ##p_0## and ##|{\bf p}|## one can replace (Eq. 2) with a Euclidean scalar product
$$p^{2}_E=p_0^2+{\bf p}^2. . . . . (Eq. 3)$$
but then it is no longer Lorentz invariant.
 
Demystifier said:
To bound p0p_0 and |p||{\bf p}| one can replace (Eq. 2) with a Euclidean scalar product
p2E=p20+p2...(Eq.3)​
p^{2}_E=p_0^2+{\bf p}^2. . . . . (Eq. 3)
but then it is no longer Lorentz invariant.

Is it instead "Euclidean" invariant? Is it possible to show that the cut-off can't also be Lorentz invariant? Is there any physical intuition as to why a cut-off breaks Lorentz invariance?
 
Frank Castle said:
Is it instead "Euclidean" invariant?
Yes.

Frank Castle said:
Is it possible to show that the cut-off can't also be Lorentz invariant?
I think I have just shown that.

Frank Castle said:
Is there any physical intuition as to why a cut-off breaks Lorentz invariance?
Sure. Suppose that there is some maximal possible energy-momentum ##p^{\mu}##, and suppose that it is a time-like vector. Then there is a Lorentz frame in which
$$p^{\mu}=(\Lambda,0,0,0)$$
But if ##p^{\mu}## has this form in one Lorentz frame, then it cannot have this form in other Lorentz frames. Therefore there is a special Lorentz frame in which ##p^{\mu}## takes this special form. But if there is a special Lorentz frame, then there is no Lorentz invariance.
 
Demystifier said:
I think I have just shown that.

I guessing because if it is "Euclidean" invariant then it cannot be simultaneously Lorentz invariant?!

Demystifier said:
Sure. Suppose that there is some maximal possible energy-momentum pμp^{\mu}, and suppose that it is a time-like vector. Then there is a Lorentz frame in which
pμ=(Λ,0,0,0)​
p^{\mu}=(\Lambda,0,0,0)
But if pμp^{\mu} has this form in one Lorentz frame, then it cannot have this form in other Lorentz frames. Therefore there is a special Lorentz frame in which pμp^{\mu} takes this special form. But if there is a special Lorentz frame, then there is no Lorentz invariance.

So would it be correct to say that a hard cut-off introduces an energy scale, which is not Lorentz invariant (since energy is not a Lorentz invariant quantity)?
 
Frank Castle said:
I guessing because if it is "Euclidean" invariant then it cannot be simultaneously Lorentz invariant?!
Yes.

Frank Castle said:
So would it be correct to say that a hard cut-off introduces an energy scale, which is not Lorentz invariant (since energy is not a Lorentz invariant quantity)?
It wouldn't be wrong.
 

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