Momentum of massless particle after decay

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The problem involves a particle of mass M decaying from rest into two particles, one with mass m and the other being massless. The discussion centers around determining the momentum of the massless particle after the decay, with a focus on the application of conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum and energy, questioning the setup of the energy conservation equation. There is a discussion about the proper formulation of energy conservation, particularly regarding the treatment of squared terms and the presence of cross terms.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach to the conservation of energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formulation of the energy conservation equation, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be confusion regarding the application of conservation laws, particularly in how energy is expressed in the context of the problem. The original poster's assumptions about the relationship between the energies and momenta are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


I must be overlooking something very simple:
"A particle of mass M decays from rest into two particles. One particle has mass m and the other particle is massless. The momentum of the massless particle is..."

Homework Equations


energy² = mass² c^4 + p² c²

momentum is conserved

The Attempt at a Solution


a quick drawing makes clear that [itex]\vec p_{m}[/itex] and [itex]\vec p_{\gamma}[/itex] (with gamma denoting the massless particle) are on the same line, and since the initial momentum was zero, we get [itex]\vec p_{m} = - \vec p_{\gamma}[/itex] and thus [itex]p_m^2 = p_\gamma^2[/itex].

Using conservation of energy we get [itex]M^2 c^4 = m^2 c^4 + p_m^2 c^2 + p_\gamma^2 c^2 = m^2 c^4 + 2 p^2 c^2[/itex] with p the sought for momentum.

However, the answer should be [itex]p = \frac{M^2 - m^2}{2M} c[/itex]
 
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mr. vodka said:
Using conservation of energy we get [itex]M^2 c^4 = m^2 c^4 + p_m^2 c^2 + p_\gamma^2 c^2[/itex]

I don't think that this is what conservation of energy gives.
 
You have put the squares of the energies added together. Conservation of energy is the energies themselves added together. You will then see that when you square it, you get cross terms. In other words, what is correct is:

[tex]E_i=E_{1,f}+E_{2,f}[/tex]

What you have written there is:
[tex]E_i^2=E_{1,f}^2+E_{2,f}^2[/tex]

You are missing the cross term.
 
Oh jeesh, thank you
 
Things are simpler if the the conservation of energy equation is rearranged before squaring.
 

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