Momentum of the angular inertia of two solids.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular inertia of a rectangular prism and related shapes, focusing on the application of the parallel axis theorem and specific formulas for different configurations. Participants explore various scenarios involving axes of rotation and the implications of density and mass on calculations.

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  • One participant seeks to calculate the angular moments of inertia for a rectangular prism with different axes of rotation, questioning the relationship between density, volume, and mass.
  • Another participant suggests using the parallel axis theorem but does not clarify how to apply it to the specific cases presented.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of certain formulas, with one participant asserting that the coefficient of [1/3] is applicable for a rectangular plane rotating about its side, while others challenge this claim.
  • Participants discuss the addition and subtraction of moments of inertia for composite shapes, such as a cube with a cylindrical hole, with some confirming that it is correct to subtract the moment of inertia of the hole from that of the cube.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the abstract nature of theorems and seeks concrete formulas for their specific cases.
  • There is a mention of a hyperphysics.edu explanation being helpful for understanding the parallel axis theorem in the context of a machine being built.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct application of the formulas for angular inertia, with multiple competing views and some uncertainty about the coefficients used in calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific formulas and their applications.

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Some participants express a lack of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved, which may affect their understanding and application of the parallel axis theorem. There are also references to specific cases that may not be fully addressed in the discussion.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals working on problems related to angular inertia in physics, particularly those dealing with composite shapes and the application of the parallel axis theorem.

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The angular inertia of a rectangular prism.

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http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1595403/untitled.JPG.html
(how do i put an image)I don't know any math, besides algebra.
I know some physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_moments_of_inertia - not there

How do I calculate the angular moments of inertia for a rectangular prism that has it's axis on the side, 1/4 it's length off the side, 3/2 it's length off the side, etc.

What to do if i don't know the mass of the material, but i know it's density.
density / volume = mass ?
if the axis of rotation is in the center, that dimension*mass is/ by 12
if the axis of rotation is on the edge, that dimension*mass is/ by 3

Is it a linear relationship?
 
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Hi cavemen! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Just use the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_axis_theorem" :wink:
 
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I don't know how to put up pictures.

The parallel theorem and perpendicular theorem are to abstract pieces of BS that make a good excuse not to make formulas for specific cases i have to deal with.

Well, how about this shape?
 
cavemen said:
I had seen it many times. How does it link to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_moments_of_inertia

Do you mean the url link? that was in my last post.

Or do you mean how do you apply it? you take the moment of inertia listed for the centre of a box, and add the md2 term.

Read the link again, and just apply it!
cavemen said:
Well, how about this shape?

Find the moment of inertia for the complete box, and then subtract the moment of inertia for the part cut out. :smile:
 
my question:
http://s1d2.turboimagehost.com/t/1597687_2649824.GIFIs it:
(mh^2)*[1/3] + m(w^2+d^2) * [1/12]
for the box spinning over an axis on it's side?

Do those momentums easily add and subtract?
If I have a cube with a cilyndrical hole spinning about it's center, is it just
I cube- I hole ?
 
cavemen said:
Is it:
(mh^2)*[1/3] + m(w^2+d^2) * [1/12]
for the box spinning over an axis on it's side?

m(w^2+d^2) * [1/12] is correct, (mh^2)*[1/3] isn't …

where did you get 1/3 from? :confused:
Do those momentums easily add and subtract?
If I have a cube with a cilyndrical hole spinning about it's center, is it just
I cube- I hole ?

(it's moments, not momentums)

yes, just Icube - Ihole :smile:
 
I got it from the Wikipedia list of moments.
A rectangular plane rotating against an axis on it's side has a coefficient of [1/3] next to the dimension that the axis of rotation crosses.

If it is not true, then what is true.

I am not a physics or a math person. THis is the first time in years, that I have to deal with this kind of problem.

Thanks.
 
cavemen said:
I got it from the Wikipedia list of moments.

No, wikipedia says mh2/3 + mw2/12

(this is because it applies the parallel axis theorem, and gets mh2/4 + m(w2 + h2)/12, which is the same thing)

You wrote (mh^2)*[1/3] + m(w^2+d^2) * [1/12], which is different.

This is one reason why you need to understand these formulas, and not just try to copy them.

Are you doing this for a course, with an exam at the end, or is this just a one-off project?

If it's for a course, then you must learn how to apply the parallel axis theorem.
 
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I finally found a hyperphysics.edu explanation on parallel axis theorem.
I needed this for a machine that I am building.
Thank you very much for your time and your help.
 

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