Momentum operator eigenfunction

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The discussion revolves around the momentum operator in quantum mechanics, specifically the relationship between its eigenfunctions and their representations in different bases. Participants explore the implications of using Dirac notation and the mathematical formulations associated with the momentum operator.

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  • Some participants note that the momentum operator P has an eigenfunction up(x) = exp(ipx/h), where p is the eigenvalue and h is the reduced Planck constant.
  • It is mentioned that = exp(ipx/h) represents the momentum eigenfunction in the position basis, leading to questions about the equivalence of up(x) and .
  • Some participants suggest that the momentum operator P can be represented as h/i ∂/∂x in the position coordinate, raising the question of whether different forms of P exist depending on the basis used for evaluation.
  • One participant expresses that when evaluating

    for a wavefunction already represented in momentum space, it is not necessary to replace P with h/i ∂/∂x, but rather substitute P = p.

  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the abstract nature of Dirac notation and the properties of Hilbert spaces, including the definitions of operators and eigenfunctions in quantum mechanics.
  • Participants discuss the normalization of generalized momentum eigenfunctions and the relationships between position and momentum representations.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical formulations and representations of the momentum operator, but there are ongoing questions and clarifications regarding the implications of these representations and the nature of the eigenfunctions. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the equivalences and distinctions between different representations.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of operators and the abstract nature of the Hilbert space framework, which may not be fully understood by all participants. There are also unresolved mathematical steps related to the normalization of eigenfunctions and the completeness relations in different representations.

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This might be trivial for some people but this has been bothering lately.
If P is momentum operator and p its eigenvalue then the eigenfunction is up(x) = exp(ipx/h). where h is the reduced Planck constant (sorry can't find a way to make the proper notation).
While it can also be proved that <x|p> = exp(ipx/h) (omitting constant pre factor), where |p> is also momentum operator eigenfunction in different notation, in this sense one would say that up(x) = |p>. But why is <x|p> = up(x) instead?
I will appreciate anyone who is trying to enlighten me in this problem. Thanks in advance.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
This might be trivial for some people but this has been bothering lately.
If P is momentum operator and p its eigenvalue then up(x) = exp(ipx/h). where h is the reduced Planck constant (sorry can't find a way to make the proper notation).
While it can also be proved that <x|p> = exp(ipx/h) (omitting constant pre factor), where |p> is also momentum operator eigenfunction, in this sense one would say that up(x) = |p>. But why is <x|p> = up(x) instead?
I will appreciate anyone who is trying to enlighten me in this problem. Thanks in advance.

|p> is the momentum eigenfunction.

<x|p> is the representation of the momentum eigenfunction in the position basis.
 
I have also thought the same way, but then it suggests that P = h/i ∂/∂x is also representation of momentum operator in space coordinate, because it yields solution of eigenfunction up(x) = exp(ipx/h) = <x|p>. Does this means that there is other forms of P depending on which basis its eigenfunction is evaluated?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
I have also thought the same way, but then it suggests that P = h/i ∂/∂x is also representation of momentum operator in space coordinate, because it yields solution of eigenfunction up(x) = exp(ipx/h) = <x|p>. Does this means that there is other forms of P depending on which basis its eigenfunction is evaluated?

Yes, that's right.
 
Ah yeah I think that makes sense, when I want to evaluate <P> for wavefunction already represented momentum space, I don't need to replace P with h/i ∂/∂x, instead I shoud substitute P = p.
Ok thanks for your guide.
 
It is very important to distinguish the different descriptions. Dirac notation is the representation independent description of quantum theory in terms of an abstract (rigged) Hilbert space. The vectors ##|\psi \rangle## are abstract objects which come to life just from the definition of their properties through the axioms declaring what a Hilbert space is. The same holds for linear self-adjoint operators like ##\hat{p}## and ##\hat{x}##, which are defined in an abstract way by their commutator relations (Lie algebra of the translation group in 1 dimension, the socalled Heisenberg algebra,
$$[x,p]=\mathrm{i} \hbar \hat{1}.$$
It turns out from this algebra alone that both ##\hat{x}## and ##\hat{p}## have entire ##\mathbb{R}## as their spectrum, i.e., only continuous "generalized eigenvalues".

Now you can work in a specific representation by choosing an arbitrary complete set of (generalized) eigenvectors of an observable like the position. It's not a true Hilbert-space vector but a distribution, living in the dual space of the dense subspace of the Hilbert space, where the position and momentum operators are defined. It's "normalized to a ##\delta## distribution":
$$\langle x'|x \rangle=\delta(x-x').$$
The true normalizable Hilbertspace vectors are mapped to square-Lebesgue-integrable functions (vulgo "the wave function"),
$$\psi(x)=\langle x|\psi \rangle.$$
The Heisenberg algebra in position representation is given by
$$\tilde{x} \psi(x):=\langle x|\hat{x} \psi \rangle=\langle \hat{x} x|\psi \rangle=x \langle x|\psi=x \psi(x)$$
and
$$\tilde{p} \psi(x)=-\mathrm{i} \hbar \partial_x \psi(x).$$
Now you can look for the generalized momentum eigenfunctions in position representation, leading to
$$\tilde{p} u_p(x)=p u_p(x) \; \Rightarrow \; u_p(x)=N_p \exp(\mathrm{i} p x/\hbar).$$
Again, that's a distribution, normalizable to a ##\delta## distribution. Using the completeness relation for the generalized position eigenstates,
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x |x \rangle \langle x|=\hat{1},$$
you get
$$\langle p|p' \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \langle p| x\rangle \langle x|p' \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x u_p^*(x) u_{p'}(x) = \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x N_{p}^* N_{p'} \exp[\mathrm{i} x(p'-p)/\hbar]=|N_p|^2 2 \pi \hbar \delta(p-p'),$$
as is well-known from the maths of the Fourier transformation. Thus up to an irrelevant phase factor we have found the properly normalized generalized momentum eigenvector in position representation to be
$$u_p(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi \hbar}} \exp(\mathrm{i} p x/\hbar).$$
Now you can also work in momentum representation. The corresponding wave function is
$$\tilde{\psi}(p)=\langle p|\psi \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \langle p | x \rangle \langle x | \psi \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x u_{p}^*(x) \psi(x)= \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi \hbar}} \exp(-i p x/\hbar) \psi(x).$$
In the same way you find the inverse relation,
$$\psi(x)=\langle x|\psi \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} p \langle x|p \rangle \langle p|\psi \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} p u_p(x) \tilde{\psi}(p)= \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} p \frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi \hbar}} \exp(\mathrm{i} p x/\hbar) \tilde{\psi}(p),$$
as also expected from the maths of Fourier transformations.
 
Thanks vanhees71, your post has deepened m understanding.
I have gotten part of those stuffs in my undergrad except for Hilbert space thing. And looks like I need to self-study the next level of quantum mechanics since I don't get quantum mech for graduate in my current program but I will have to be dealing with it again for my master thesis. So, any suggestion for not-so-hard-to-understand books on graduate quantum mechanics?
 
Sakurai, Modern Quantum Mechanics
Ballentine, Quantum Mechanics
Weinberg, Lectures on Quantum Mechanics
 

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