Momentum Operator In Curved Spacetime

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the formulation of the momentum operator in the context of quantum mechanics within curved spacetime. Participants explore the implications of using the covariant derivative in this formulation and the challenges that arise compared to flat spacetime scenarios.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the momentum operator in curved spacetime could be expressed as ##{\hat{P}_{\mu}}=-i{\hbar}{\nabla}_{\mu}##, where ##{\nabla}_{\mu}## denotes the covariant derivative.
  • Another participant points out that this formulation leads to non-commuting momentum operators, indicating a deeper complexity related to the Riemann tensor and suggesting that full quantum field theory may be necessary for curved spacetime.
  • A third participant notes that the commutators of covariant derivatives relate to the Riemann tensor only when torsion is zero, introducing additional complexity when torsion is considered.
  • One participant proposes starting with the action for a test particle in curved spacetime and using path-integral quantization to develop the quantum mechanics, mentioning the potential to derive the curved-space version of the Klein-Gordon equation.
  • Several participants express interest in path-integral quantization and seek resources for further understanding, with one participant referencing a book by Kleinert that includes material on curved space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of using the covariant derivative in the momentum operator formulation. There is no consensus on a definitive approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to address quantum mechanics in curved spacetime.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the assumptions of torsion and the need for a more comprehensive framework, such as quantum field theory, to adequately address the complexities of curved spacetime.

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Hello, I'm sorry if this question sounds silly, but in QM the Momentum Operator is ##{\hat{p}}=-i{\hbar}{\nabla}## . In Relativistic QM in Flat Space, this operator can be written ##{\hat{P}_{\mu}}=-i{\hbar}{\partial}_{\mu}## . Would it be correct, then, to say that in curved spacetime the momentum operator would be ##{\hat{P}_{\mu}}=-i{\hbar}{\nabla}_{\mu}## ? Here ##{\nabla}## represents the gradient, ##{\partial}_{\mu}## is the Four-Gradient, while ##{\nabla}_{\mu}## is the covariant derivative. Again, sorry if this is a naïve question and please correct me if I am mistaken in my line of thinking :) .
 
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One immediate problem with trying to set ##\hat{P}_\mu = -i \hbar \nabla_\mu## is that ##[ \hat{P}_\mu, \hat{P}_\nu] \neq 0## (it's actually related to the Riemann tensor). For special relativistic systems one can still do quantum mechanics with momentum and position operators and special relativistic wave equations, but for quantum physics in a classical curved spacetime, one generally needs to study full quantum field theory.
 
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Yes, but isn't the commutators of the covariant derivatives equal to ##R^{\rho}_{\sigma\mu\nu}V^{\sigma}-S^{\lambda}_{\mu\nu}{\nabla}_{\lambda}V^{\rho}## . It is only equal to the Riemann Tensor when the torsion ( ##S^{\lambda}_{\mu\nu}## ) is zero.
 
Sure, if you add torsion, it is even more complicated. But the point was that that operator will not satisfy canonical commutation relations. It's not a proof that it cannot work, but it is a hint that something different is probably required.

A more fruitful place to start would probably be with the action for a test particle on a curved spacetime. Then one could use path-integral quantization to develop the quantum mechanics. It should be possible to derive the curved-space version of the Klein-Gordon equation, for example.
 
I've never heard of path-integral quantization. Do you know of any site or book that could explain it, in a mathematical way?
 
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I've never heard of path-integral quantization. Do you know of any site or book that could explain it, in a mathematical way?

Kleinert has a book that he seems to have mostly online at http://users.physik.fu-berlin.de/~kleinert/b5/ I've only just looked at Ch 10 which is on curved space, so I don't know how accessible the early chapters are.
 

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