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The discussion revolves around understanding Example 2.3 from Steve Awodey's book on Category Theory, specifically focusing on the universal mapping property (UMP) of free monoids. Participants are seeking clarification on the application of the UMP in this context, as well as the identification of various functions and structures mentioned in the example.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter expresses confusion about applying the UMP for the free monoid $$M(A)$$ and seeks help in identifying the relevant functions and structures in Example 2.3.
  • Some participants suggest that a monoid $$M$$ can be viewed as the free monoid $$M(1) = M( \star )$$, which may allow for the application of the UMP.
  • Peter mentions a potential solution but indicates it is incomplete and requires further clarification and error-checking.
  • There are suggestions to skip the problematic example and move on to subsequent examples, indicating a lack of consensus on the necessity of understanding Example 2.3.
  • Peter acknowledges the assistance from another participant, Steenis, and expresses intent to work through their solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the application of the UMP in Example 2.3, with some suggesting alternative approaches and others expressing ongoing confusion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the example and its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved questions regarding the identification of functions and structures in the UMP as applied to the example. Participants express varying levels of understanding and readiness to engage with the material.

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I am reading Steve Awodey's book: Category Theory (Second Edition) and am focused on Chapter 2: Abstract Structures ... ...

I need some help in order to fully understand Awodey Example 2.3, Chapter 2 ... ... Awodey Example 2.3, Chapter 2 reads as follows:View attachment 8398
In the Example above Awodey writes the following:

" ... By the UMP of the free monoid $$M(1)$$ ... ... "I am having trouble applying the UMP for the free monoid $$M(A)$$ ... see text below from Awodey pages 18-19 ...

Can someone please help ... in particular I am having trouble identifying the various functions, sets and structures in the UMP on pages 18-19 with the Example ... I can see the set $$A$$ is $$1$$ ... but what is $$i, f, \overline{f}, N $$ in terms of Example 2.3 ... specifically how is Awodey applying the UMP to the Example ... can someone clearly explain the situation ...
Hope that someone can help ...

Peter
=========================================================================================The above post mentions the UMP for free monoids ... so I am providing the text of the same ... ... as follows:
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View attachment 8400It may also help readers of the above post to have access to the start of Awodey's section on Epis and Monos (up to Example 2.3) ... so I am providing the same ... as follows ...
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View attachment 8402Hope that helps ...

Peter
 

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I gave it some time but I don't see it.

I think the trick is to see that a monoid $M$ equals the free monoid $M(1) = M( \star )$. In that case you can apply the universal mapping property of $M(1)$. For now, I give up, maybe someone else can give it a try.

You can go on reading Awodey, you do not have to understand everything. Just skip everything that references this example.Try to do example 2.4 (easy) and the remark between example 2.4 and example 2.5 (a little bit harder)
 
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steenis said:
I gave it some time but I don't see it.

I think the trick is to see that a monoid $M$ equals the free monoid $M(1) = M( \star )$. In that case you can apply the universal mapping property of $M(1)$. For now, I give up, maybe someone else can give it a try.

You can go on reading Awodey, you do not have to understand everything. Just skip everything that references this example.Try to do example 2.4 (easy) and the remark between example 2.4 and example 2.5 (a little bit harder)
Can someone please please help Steenis and me to find an answer to Post #1 above ...Help will be much appreciated ...Peter
 
I found this solution, but it is not quite ready. I need help to resolve the "why's" and to find errors.

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Awodey uses a nuclear bomb to kill a fly. This proof can much easier. Well, it is an exercise ...
 

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steenis said:
I found this solution, but it is not quite ready. I need help to resolve the "why's" and to find errors.
Awodey uses a nuclear bomb to kill a fly. This proof can much easier. Well, it is an exercise ...
Thanks so so much for your help Steenis ...

I have left the state of Tasmania for a trip to the mainland ... will be staying with a friend outside Melbourne in Victoria... will be in touch shortly ..

... will work through your solution as soon as possible ...

It is great that you have an answer/clarification to Awodey's example ...

Peter
 
steenis said:
Update
Comments are welcome.
Thanks Steenis ...

Working through your updated post now ...

Peter
 

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