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This discussion centers on understanding torque curves in dyno tests and the various factors influencing them. Key aspects include the relationship between engine specifications and torque generation, particularly how inertia and engine speed affect torque output. The user seeks to derive a torque curve mathematically, considering factors such as cooling system efficiency, energy release during combustion, vacuum creation, fuel atomization, and combustion speed. For foundational knowledge, the recommended resource is "Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals" by John Heywood, particularly the first three chapters.

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  • Understanding of torque curves and dyno testing
  • Familiarity with internal combustion engine principles
  • Basic knowledge of thermodynamics and combustion chemistry
  • Experience with graphing and interpreting engine performance data
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  • Study the thermodynamic principles outlined in "Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals" by John Heywood
  • Research the effects of cooling systems on engine performance
  • Learn about fuel atomization techniques and their impact on combustion efficiency
  • Explore the mathematical modeling of torque curves based on engine specifications
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Apologies to everyone for being so much an asker an so little a responder, though I would like it noted that I do attempt to answer my questions prior to bothering someone with them.

I do a lot of automotive study but as I get deeper and deeper into the subject, the questions just don't seem to end. So I've decided to just post a bunch of them before they drive me crazy and see what you guys have to say on the subject.

Can anyone tell me what makes a torque curve on a dyno test so weird? I mean, is there any kinda of relationship I can make to derive a curve if I have enough engine specifications? I am sure inertia has something to do with it since a higher torque is typically generated with increasing engine speed. I saw that this was the integral of the net force applied to the crankshaft, which makes sense since the force is produced in different manners at different degrees of the crankshaft dependent on how much pressure is being generated, I guess through the ideal gas law PV=nRT.

Of course I am sure to actually graph that I would need to know formulas for:
How well the cooling system convects heat away from the cylinder
How much energy is being released at each volume since gas burns for quite some time through the rotation (and subsequently changing the temperature I would imagine, at a rate dependent on how much fuel was put in)
How much vacuum is created
How well the fuel atomizes
How that effects the combustion of it
And how quickly the gas burns

I can't really think of anymore questions than that.

I don't know... Ultimately I just want to know the math behind it all. Even if its pure theory... and we know how well theory and data get along in the automotive world... I think. ='P

I humbly thank you for all your wonderful help. =')
 
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Read Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals by John Heywood.

Chapters 1, 2 and 3 will give you all the basics. The rest of the book will give you all the background info including thermodynamics, chemistry, flow effects, combustion effects, emissions formation, heat transfer, friction, operating characteristics etc.

If you have specific questions, feel free to post them here.
 

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