More fuel efficient drivers = better drivers?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between fuel-efficient driving techniques and overall driving skills. Participants explore how practices that enhance fuel efficiency may correlate with better driving habits. Additionally, two specific questions regarding fuel consumption mechanics and engine braking during downhill driving are examined.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that fuel-efficient driving techniques, such as anticipating traffic and driving smoothly, align with good driving practices recommended by driving instructors.
  • There is a debate on what primarily determines fuel consumption, with some arguing it is both the amount the gas pedal is depressed and the engine's RPM, while others assert that only the pedal depression matters.
  • One participant questions whether fuel consumption is zero during engine braking in modern cars, suggesting that fuel flow may not be a binary on/off situation.
  • Another participant posits that engine braking relies on the vacuum created by a closed throttle rather than fuel consumption, indicating that fuel has little to do with the braking process.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the operation of fuel injection systems during engine braking, with varying opinions on whether fuel is completely cut off.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanics of fuel consumption and engine braking, with multiple competing views presented regarding the role of throttle position and RPM in fuel efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding, with some expressing uncertainty about the technical details of fuel injection systems and engine braking mechanisms.

Fuel efficient drivers = better drivers? (All other things being equal)

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 100.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    7
  • #31
russ_watters said:
You were kidding when you said you PWM your throttle, right?
I have a 1950 Rover P4 “cyclops” here. It has a freewheel clutch designed for Pulse and Glide economy driving. There is a switch on the dash to disable the freewheel clutch when engine braking is needed descending hills. Pulse and Glide is OK when you are on an empty road, but with heavier traffic it is more relaxing for everyone to maintain a steady speed. As the model developed over the next few years, the freewheel clutch was replaced with an overdrive unit.
 
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  • #32
I think we have different definitions of "better". I'm with LawrenceC Here (Former motorcycle road racing instructor for 5 years here).
If I want to be very fuel efficient, provided the risks are low, I'm going to be cornering at a speed as close to the speed limit as is safe.
I'll be choosing lines that allow for maximum speed based on the limits of the vehicle.

While I can't say how it works for ALL cars, in general, one can often tell if the fuel injection system is giving you a small amount of fuel as you are "engine braking". In a straight line, kill the ignition. if the tone of your exhaust changes...your fuel injection system is giving you fuel while decelerating.

I do NOT recommend this! You will lose power steering until you fire the engine again. And I don't know if they would mess up any other electronics or controls and the newest cars.

I can say that MY vehicle definitely gives the engine at least a minimal amount of fuel while on trailing throttle. ;-)
 
  • #33
John Archer said:
I think we have different definitions of "better". I'm with LawrenceC Here (Former motorcycle road racing instructor for 5 years here).
If I want to be very fuel efficient, provided the risks are low, I'm going to be cornering at a speed as close to the speed limit as is safe.
I'll be choosing lines that allow for maximum speed based on the limits of the vehicle.

While I can't say how it works for ALL cars, in general, one can often tell if the fuel injection system is giving you a small amount of fuel as you are "engine braking". In a straight line, kill the ignition. if the tone of your exhaust changes...your fuel injection system is giving you fuel while decelerating.

I do NOT recommend this! You will lose power steering until you fire the engine again. And I don't know if they would mess up any other electronics or controls and the newest cars.

I can say that MY vehicle definitely gives the engine at least a minimal amount of fuel while on trailing throttle. ;-)

FYI killing an engine, esp in more modern FWD automatics can be risky, some loose lubrication oil pressure in the transmission with the engine not spinning!
 
  • #34
The engine would still be spinning.
 
  • #35
John Archer said:
The engine would still be spinning.

If its still spinning then you should also still have power steering, depending on how electric this assist is off course, but older hydraulics should keep working.

My comment is really more for engine off coasting, ie transmission in neutral, engine off, at some non zero road speed, aside from the very real danger of loosing power steering and brake assist in this condition, you risk damaging your transmission.
 

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