# Most efficient way to convert rope movement (KE) to rotational KE?

• narayan821
In summary, the conversation discusses the use of a moving rope to turn a generator and create electricity. The individual is seeking guidance on maximizing the conversion of kinetic energy from the pulled rope system into rotational kinetic energy of the shaft and ultimately maximizing electrical energy output. However, without more information and a clear understanding of the system, it is difficult to provide specific recommendations. The use of a belt or chain may be more efficient for this type of application.
narayan821
I've got a moving rope that turns a shaft, which then turns a generator to create electricity. Please point me to a good resource that guides me to perform this efficiently. I would like to maximize the conversion of kinetic energy of the pulled rope system into rotational kinetic energy of the shaft, and maximize electrical energy output.

I don't think we can answer this unless you describe how the speed of the rope varies with load.

256bits and russ_watters
narayan821 said:
I've got a moving rope that turns a shaft, which then turns a generator to create electricity. Please point me to a good resource that guides me to perform this efficiently. I would like to maximize the conversion of kinetic energy of the pulled rope system into rotational kinetic energy of the shaft, and maximize electrical energy output.
This is very vague. We need to see a diagram or get a much better description to know what the system is doing. But it seems like it should be trivial to make it very efficient: a good belt/pulley system can run upwards of 95% efficient.

...however, they aren't really dealing in kinetic energy, they are transforming work. There are situations where kinetic energy may be desired, but without knowing what yours is, I can't say if it is one.

DaveE, 256bits and jbriggs444
We also need to know the properties of the rope. Resistance of the rope to bending/unbending will be one source of efficiency loss.

berkeman
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narayan821 said:
I've got a moving rope that turns a shaft, which then turns a generator to create electricity.
Why are you using a rope? There's a reason that belts and chains are used much more for this type of power transfer application...

DaveE

## 1. How does the length of the rope affect the efficiency of converting rope movement to rotational KE?

The longer the rope, the more potential energy it has. This means that a longer rope will require more force to rotate and convert the rope movement to rotational KE. However, a longer rope also means more distance for the force to act upon, which can result in a higher rotational speed and more efficient conversion.

## 2. Does the material of the rope affect the efficiency of conversion?

Yes, the material of the rope can greatly affect the efficiency of conversion. A stiffer and stronger material, such as steel, will have less stretch and therefore less energy loss during the conversion process. On the other hand, a more elastic material, such as rubber, may result in more energy loss and a less efficient conversion.

## 3. Is there an optimal angle for the rope to be pulled at in order to maximize efficiency?

Yes, there is an optimal angle for the rope to be pulled at in order to maximize efficiency. This angle is known as the "ideal mechanical advantage" and is dependent on the length of the rope and the radius of the object being rotated. Pulling at this angle will result in the most efficient conversion of rope movement to rotational KE.

## 4. Can friction affect the efficiency of converting rope movement to rotational KE?

Yes, friction can greatly affect the efficiency of conversion. Friction between the rope and the object being rotated can result in energy loss, making the conversion less efficient. To minimize this effect, lubrication or using a smoother material for the rope can help improve efficiency.

## 5. Are there any other factors that can impact the efficiency of converting rope movement to rotational KE?

Yes, there are other factors that can impact efficiency. These include the weight of the object being rotated, the speed at which the rope is pulled, and any external forces acting on the system. Minimizing these factors, as well as using the optimal rope length and material, can help improve the efficiency of conversion.

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