Motion of J002E3: Captured Object's Orbit Around Earth

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The discussion centers on the classification of J002E3 and similar celestial bodies, exploring the definitions of "moon," "planet," and related terms within the context of astronomy. Participants examine how these definitions may evolve with new information and the subjective nature of such classifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether J002E3 should still be referred to as a "moon," with NASA using the term "object" instead.
  • There is a discussion about the subjective nature of the term "planet," with one participant noting that some moons have atmospheres while some planets, like Pluto, do not.
  • Participants highlight that the Earth is still considered to have one moon despite the existence of other nearby objects like J002E3 and Cruithne, which have unusual orbits.
  • One participant suggests that the definitions of celestial bodies may need to evolve as more information becomes available, influenced by historical context and linguistic inconsistencies.
  • Another participant notes that the definitions of "moon" and "satellite" are influenced by historical usage and the lack of a strict authority on terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of "moon" and "planet," indicating that there is no consensus on these terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of J002E3 and similar objects.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the gray areas in astronomical definitions and the influence of historical context on current terminology. There is also mention of the inconsistency in definitions across different scientific publications.

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The motion of J002E3, showing how the object was captured into its current chaotic orbit around the Earth. The Sun is to the left in these animations. Animations created by Paul Chodas and Ron Baalke.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/j002e3.html


So is this still being called a moon?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2251386.stm
 
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NASA seems to be content with "object". Some astronomers object to calling every satellite in the solar system a "moon". They want to reserve Moon as a proper name for THE Moon.
 
The meaning of the word "planet" seems to be a little subjective as well. I once read that the biggest difference between a planet and a moon is that a moon has no atmosphere. Don't a number of "moons" have atmospheres; and doesn’t at least one planet, Pluto, lack any atmosphere?
 
Astronomers still consider the Earth to have 1 moon, even though there are a couple curious nearby objects like J002E3. Note that last paragraph in the second link..."Earth's second one is called Cruithne. It was discovered in 1986 and it takes a convoluted horseshoe path around our planet as it is tossed about by the Earth's and the Moon's gravity. "

Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
The meaning of the word "planet" seems to be a little subjective as well. I once read that the biggest difference between a planet and a moon is that a moon has no atmosphere. Don't a number of "moons" have atmospheres; and doesn’t at least one planet, Pluto, lack any atmosphere?

Lots of gray areas in astronomical definitions like this.

You are correct that that "no atmosphere" is a bad definition of a moon, but maybe presented in a certain context it can get you close enough (e.g., if speaking in general to little kids or if you needed to take a guess on a game show :smile:)

Saturn's moon Titan has quite an interesting atmosphere (which NASA will be sending a probe into soon...yippee!). The planet Mercury has no real atmosphere except for the temporary particles the sun blasts off it. Pluto's* thin atmosphere disappears during its "winter" (it freezes and snows down to the surface). Asteroids don't have atmospheres but they are not moons (ok, a few are, like my namesake). Comets have gases surrouding their icy/rocky cores, but they are not planets.

In general, planets are the large, non-star objects orbiting a star. Moons are the things orbiting the planets. I would guess that Cruithne and J002E3 are not called moons because they're too odd (non standard orbits around the planet).

* keeping that particular debate of planet-hood (planet-dom?) aside
 
Is this a situation where the definitions have been forced to evolve due to having better information about these various types of bodies?
 
Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Is this a situation where the definitions have been forced to evolve due to having better information about these various types of bodies?
That's part of the reason; others include nostalgia (a.k.a. history - look at the fuss about whether Pluto is a planet or not), stickiness (also a.k.a. history - 'moon' vs 'satellite'), and the lack of a linguistic dictator (even though the IAU does a pretty decent job of standarisation, not every editor of every relevant peer-reviewed scientific journal is always consistent).
 

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