Motion of two balls which collide

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The problem involves two balls: one is thrown upward from the ground with an initial speed \(v_0\), and the other is dropped from a height \(H\). The objective is to determine the time of collision between the two balls and the height \(H\) in terms of \(v_0\) and gravitational acceleration \(g\), ensuring that the first ball reaches its highest point at the moment of collision.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using kinematic equations to describe the motion of both balls, questioning the correct setup of the equations for their respective motions.
  • There are attempts to equate the positions of both balls at the time of collision, with some participants expressing confusion over the signs and terms used in their equations.
  • Some participants question the assumptions regarding the direction of acceleration due to gravity and its representation in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the use of kinematic equations and addressing potential errors in the setup. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the equations, and some participants are actively seeking clarification on their reasoning and calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of standard physics equations and are trying to reconcile their understanding of motion under gravity without air resistance. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of signs in the equations, which remains a point of contention.

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A ball is thrown straight up from the ground with speed v0. At the same instant, a second ball is dropped from rest from a height H, directly above the point where the first ball was thrown upward. There is no air resistance. How to I find the time at which the two balls collide. A how do I find the value of H in terms of v0 and g so that at the instant when the balls colide, the first ball is at the heighest point of its motion.

Anybody who can help?
 
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Is it this equation I need to use s = u*t + 1/2*a*t^2 ?
 
Yes. :smile:
 
Ball 1 (Going upward with a v0):

s1 = vo*t-0,5*g*t^2

Ball 2 (Dropped from a height H)

s2 = h-0,5*g*t

And then I need to find the time t:
s1 = s2

I get something crazy !

Is my method good?
 
Hi Faka! :smile:

(try using the X2 and X2 icons just above the Reply box :wink:)
Faka said:
Ball 2 (Dropped from a height H)

s2 = h-0,5*g*t

you mean s2 = h - 0,5*g*t2 :wink:

otherwise, that's ok :smile:
 
Yes, its t^2 .
I think that I have made a mistake. Shouldn't it be:
Ball 1

s1 = Vo*t+0,5*g*t^2

Ball 2

s2 = h+0,5*g*t

Then
s1 = s2

I mean "+" instead of "-".
 
s2 = h+0,5*g*t^2
 
it doesn't matter whether you use +g and g = -9.81, or -g and g = -9.81 :wink:

show us your full calculations :smile:
 
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Ball 1 (Upward)
x1 = 0 + v0*t + 1/2*(g)*t^2
= vo*t + g*t^2

Ball 2 (Dropped)
x2 = h + 0*t + 1/2*(-g)*t^2
= h - 1/2*g*t^2x1 = x2

vo*t + g*t^2 = h - 1/2*g*t^2And then I solve for t, I get something that I can't write here. Its something divided by 2*g
 
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Faka said:
Ball 1 (Upward)
x1 = 0 + v0*t + 1/2*(g)*t^2
= vo*t + g*t^2

Ball 2 (Dropped)
x2 = h + 0*t + 1/2*(-g)*t^2
= h - 1/2*g*t^2

No, you can't have g in one equation and -g in the other. :redface:
 

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