# Motion within a circle and path kinematics

• MFAHH
In summary: I'm not sure yet. But I'll keep trying and post an update when I do.Thanks for the reply. Here's my train of thought. Essentially the lion is moving in a sort of circular motion with the radius increasing wrt time. So r=r(t). Now, U=ds/dt, where s is the distance covered by the lion. This is given by, I think, rθ. So ds/dt = (dr/dt)*θ + r*(dθ/dt) = U. Am I on the right lines, because I have a funny feeling I'm not..Almost. Think pythagorean's theorem. The

## Homework Statement

John is thrown into the outer part of a circular den of radius a. At the centre of the den is a Lion. John decides his best tactic is to run round the perimeter of the den with his maximum speed u. The Lion responds by running towards John with its maximum speed U.

(i) Sketch the path taken by the Lion.
(ii) Show that the distance r of the Lion from the centre of the den satisfies:
dr/dt = sqrt [U^2 - r^2u^2/a^2]
(iii) Hence find r as a function of t.
(iv) Show that if U > u John will be caught by the Lion.
(v) What happens in the special case where u = U?

## The Attempt at a Solution

For i) I sketched the path of the lion to be a spiral starting from the centre and tending outwards towards the circumference of the circle.

It's on ii) that I'm not sure on how to set up the problem and the relevant equations of motion that would yield the desired equation. Any hints?

Thank you.

Have you tried drawing some triangles and invoking a dead greek?

What does U equal? Give me a magnitude in terms of r, r dot, and theta dot.

Thanks for the reply. Here's my train of thought. Essentially the lion is moving in a sort of circular motion with the radius increasing wrt time. So r=r(t). Now, U=ds/dt, where s is the distance covered by the lion. This is given by, I think, rθ. So ds/dt = (dr/dt)*θ + r*(dθ/dt) = U.

Am I on the right lines, because I have a funny feeling I'm not..

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Almost. Think pythagorean's theorem.

Theta dot is always perpendicular to r dot, so you have a right triangle between the 2.

Check the first term again (dr/dt)*\theta
Does the magnitude change depending on which angle your facing? If you rotate the spiral, changing the starting position of Joe (? whatever his name is), does that change the magnitude of the the lions velocity?

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maybe that picture had too much going on. Try this one. Can you tell me what U is equal to now?

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BiGyElLoWhAt said:
maybe that picture had too much going on. Try this one. Can you tell me what U is equal to now?

Aha! U = sqrt(rdot^2+theta dot^2)?

Super close now. Check out the units. Rdot is m/s and theta dot is 1/s, what happens the the arc of a circle if you go farther away from the center?
If I travel from 0 to pi along the circumference of a circle with radius 1, then do the same thing with a radius 2, how will my total distance traveled compare?

Does the brown line or the green line have a greater magnitude? How can you relate that to what we have to work with? The angle changed in both cases will be the same, but which velocity is greater? How can you take your equation and change it (only 1 small change that needs to be made) so that it accounts for this?

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Would it be multiplying theta dot with r^2? That way the units correspond to each other on the LHS and the RHS. Also, it's the change in radius that yields the greater velocity of the green line. Would that be right?

yea yea. cool. I'm assuming we're on the same page now, with ##U^2 = \dot{r}^2 + r^2\dot{\theta}^2##
The lion ALWAYS runs directly at the boy, what does this tell you about the theta dot of the lion and the theta dot of the boy?
Speaking of, what is the theta dot of the boy?

BiGyElLoWhAt said:
yea yea. cool. I'm assuming we're on the same page now, with ##U^2 = \dot{r}^2 + r^2\dot{\theta}^2##
The lion ALWAYS runs directly at the boy, what does this tell you about the theta dot of the lion and the theta dot of the boy?
Speaking of, what is the theta dot of the boy?

Would it indicate that the theta dot of both the lion and the boy are equal. And theta dot would be u/a because the boy travels along the circumference of radius a, at linear speed u.

bada bing, bada boom. not u/r, because the radius of the circle is a, not r. r is the distance the lion is from the center. so u/a.

MFAHH
plug it in and solve for rdot (which is the same as dr/dt)

MFAHH
Haha! Excellent! Thanks a lot man I seriously appreciate all your help and patience! :)

Np bro. Take it easy.

So I got my work out of the way and tried to finish up this question. For the part where I've to find r as a function of t I'll obviously need to solve the differential. I've only been recently begun being taught about how to solve ODEs. What I'm thinking for this one is, because it has r raised to the power of 2, I'm guessing Bernoulli's equation needs to be used, and then from there calculate r(t) using the integrating factor method to solve. But I think Bernoulli can only be invoked if the ODE is in the form where there is also an r^1 term, but in this equation it's only got an r^2 term, so it can't be invoked[?].

Anyone have any suggestions? Also, the form that my diff equation is in has dr/dt all to the power of 2, is that allowed?

Thanks!

Anyone?

MFAHH said:
dr/dt = sqrt [U^2 - r^2u^2/a^2]
(iii) Hence find r as a function of t.

Can you "separate variables" and integrate?

TSny said:
Can you "separate variables" and integrate?

Yeah I can, but I'm not sure if I can do that here..

If you have ##\frac{dy}{dx} = f(y)##, then you can write ##\frac{dy}{f(y)} = dx##

## 1. What is motion within a circle?

Motion within a circle, also known as circular motion, is when an object moves along a circular path at a constant speed. This type of motion is characterized by the object's velocity and acceleration constantly changing direction, while its speed remains constant.

## 2. What is the difference between uniform circular motion and non-uniform circular motion?

Uniform circular motion is when an object moves along a circular path at a constant speed, while non-uniform circular motion is when the object's speed varies along the path. In non-uniform circular motion, the object's velocity and acceleration are not constant.

## 3. How is centripetal force related to circular motion?

Centripetal force is the force that keeps an object moving along a circular path. It is always directed towards the center of the circle and is necessary to maintain the object's motion. Without centripetal force, the object would continue to move in a straight line and leave the circular path.

## 4. What is the difference between tangential and radial acceleration in circular motion?

Tangential acceleration is the component of acceleration that is parallel to the object's velocity, while radial acceleration is the component that is perpendicular to the velocity and towards the center of the circle. In circular motion, tangential acceleration is responsible for changing the object's speed, while radial acceleration is responsible for changing its direction.

## 5. How can we describe the position of an object in circular motion?

The position of an object in circular motion is described using polar coordinates, which include the distance from the center of the circle (radius) and the angle between the object's position and a fixed reference point (angle). This allows us to track the object's position as it moves along the circular path.

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