I Motivation for the usage of 4-vectors in special relativity

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The discussion centers on the motivation for using 4-vectors in special relativity, stemming from Einstein's postulates that lead to Lorentz transformations. These transformations reveal that time is frame-dependent and that space and time are interconnected, necessitating a 4-dimensional spacetime framework. The use of 4-vectors ensures Lorentz invariance of physical equations, as the spacetime interval is invariant, unlike traditional spatial distances in classical mechanics. The conversation also touches on the distinction between Newtonian mechanics, where space and time are treated independently, and special relativity, where they are unified. Overall, the understanding of 4-vectors is affirmed as essential for accurately describing physical phenomena in both relativistic and non-relativistic contexts.
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PeterDonis said:
In Newtonian physics, yes.

Would it be correct to say that in Newtonian physics, since time (and simultaneity) is (are) absolute the approach of considering a 3 dimensional space at each instant in time is well-defined, since it is observer independent, hence we can consider 3 dimensional space parametrised by time, which governs how the 3D space evolves. In special relativity, both time and simultaneity are relative and so there is no well-defined way of considering 3-dimensional space at each instant in time, since this can not be achieved in an observer independent manner. Since there is no observer independent way to separate time and space coordinates we must consider them as coordinates of a single 4-dimensional spacetime.
 
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Frank Castle said:
Would it be correct to say...

All of this looks ok to me.
 
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Frank Castle said:
Would it be correct to say that in Newtonian physics, since time (and simultaneity) is (are) absolute the approach of considering a 3 dimensional space at each instant in time is well-defined, since it is observer independent, hence we can consider 3 dimensional space parametrised by time, which governs how the 3D space evolves. In special relativity, both time and simultaneity are relative and so there is no well-defined way of considering 3-dimensional space at each instant in time, since this can not be achieved in an observer independent manner. Since there is no observer independent way to separate time and space coordinates we must consider them as coordinates of a single 4-dimensional spacetime.

Hi Frank. 3D space being relative is what Einstein referred to in his quotes I posted in that other thread.
 

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