Motivation for the usage of 4-vectors in special relativity

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The discussion centers on the motivation for using 4-vectors in special relativity, emphasizing their role in ensuring Lorentz invariance of physical equations. The necessity arises from Einstein's postulates, which establish that time and space are interdependent and should be treated as a 4-dimensional continuum known as spacetime. The conversation highlights that the spacetime interval is invariant, unlike traditional spatial distances, reinforcing the importance of 4-vectors in formulating physical laws. Advanced concepts such as Minkowski's pseudo-scalar product and the symmetry group of Lorentz transformations are also discussed, illustrating the mathematical elegance of this framework.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Einstein's postulates of special relativity
  • Familiarity with Lorentz transformations
  • Basic knowledge of 4-dimensional spacetime concepts
  • Awareness of Minkowski geometry and pseudo-scalar products
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  • Study the derivation and implications of Lorentz transformations
  • Explore Minkowski spacetime and its geometric interpretations
  • Learn about the conservation laws in the context of 4-vectors
  • Investigate the applications of 4-vectors in non-relativistic physics
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This discussion is beneficial for physicists, students of relativity, and anyone interested in the mathematical foundations of spacetime and its implications in both relativistic and non-relativistic contexts.

  • #31
PeterDonis said:
In Newtonian physics, yes.

Would it be correct to say that in Newtonian physics, since time (and simultaneity) is (are) absolute the approach of considering a 3 dimensional space at each instant in time is well-defined, since it is observer independent, hence we can consider 3 dimensional space parametrised by time, which governs how the 3D space evolves. In special relativity, both time and simultaneity are relative and so there is no well-defined way of considering 3-dimensional space at each instant in time, since this can not be achieved in an observer independent manner. Since there is no observer independent way to separate time and space coordinates we must consider them as coordinates of a single 4-dimensional spacetime.
 
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  • #32
Frank Castle said:
Would it be correct to say...

All of this looks ok to me.
 
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Frank Castle said:
Would it be correct to say that in Newtonian physics, since time (and simultaneity) is (are) absolute the approach of considering a 3 dimensional space at each instant in time is well-defined, since it is observer independent, hence we can consider 3 dimensional space parametrised by time, which governs how the 3D space evolves. In special relativity, both time and simultaneity are relative and so there is no well-defined way of considering 3-dimensional space at each instant in time, since this can not be achieved in an observer independent manner. Since there is no observer independent way to separate time and space coordinates we must consider them as coordinates of a single 4-dimensional spacetime.

Hi Frank. 3D space being relative is what Einstein referred to in his quotes I posted in that other thread.
 

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