Movement along the cardioid ##r=k(1+cos\theta)##

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The discussion revolves around a particle's motion along a cardioid defined by the equation ##r=k(1+cos\theta##. Participants are tasked with finding the expression for ##\vec{r''}\cdot \hat{r}## and interpreting its significance, particularly in relation to centripetal acceleration at specific angles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the derivation of radial acceleration in cylindrical coordinates and its interpretation. There are discussions about the velocity vector in cylindrical coordinates and its magnitude. Some participants question the significance of their findings and whether they should solve a differential equation or substitute values into existing expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and guidance on interpreting acceleration expressions and exploring the relationships between different components of motion. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify certain aspects, such as the behavior of radial acceleration and its constancy throughout the motion.

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Participants mention the challenges of interpreting results at specific angles, particularly at ##0## and ##\pi##, and the implications of curvature in the context of radial acceleration. There are references to graphing the motion to gain a better understanding of the relationships involved.

  • #31
Macykc2 said:
I was going to create a whole new thread with reference to this post, but I guess I should check if this will bump it.
My question lies in posts 2 and 3, I understand where we get the velocity function in terms of cylindrical cords, but I'm missing the bridge between the v2 part, why is it "concluded" that we use that equation?
If I understand your question correctly, you are asking why the dot product of the velocity vector with itself is equal to the square of its magnitude. Is that correct?
 
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  • #32
davidbenari said:
So the velocity vector is ##r' \hat{r} + r \theta ' \hat{\theta}##.

This would reduce to ##k\theta'(-sin\theta)\hat{r}+k(1+cos\theta)\theta'\hat{\theta}## which, because of its constant magnitude we conclude ##k^2\theta'^2(1+cos\theta)^2+k^2\theta'^2sin^2\theta=v^2##.

My confusion is with the last sentence, I was able to get to, ##k\theta'(-sin\theta)\hat{r}+k(1+cos\theta)\theta'\hat{\theta}##, but I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the next part where he mentions it's a constant magnitude and concludes the second equation.
 
  • #33
Macykc2 said:
My confusion is with the last sentence, I was able to get to, ##k\theta'(-sin\theta)\hat{r}+k(1+cos\theta)\theta'\hat{\theta}##, but I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the next part where he mentions it's a constant magnitude and concludes the second equation.
The problem statement implies that the tangential velocity v is constant.
 
  • #34
Alright I've figured out that part, and I've also solved for θ', then I put that equation into r' and ended up with ##r'=\frac{v[1+cos\theta - sin\theta]}{\sqrt{1+2cos\theta}}##
Now you say I'm supposed to differentiate with respect to t, dv/dt would make acceleration, but differentiating the cos and sin functions, does that just end up with θ' or is it now θ"?
Also I'm sorry if you read this before I fix the math code stuff, I've never used it!
 
  • #35
Macykc2 said:
Alright I've figured out that part, and I've also solved for θ', then I put that equation into r' and ended up with ##r'=\frac{v[1+cos\theta - sin\theta]}{\sqrt{1+2cos\theta}}##
Now you say I'm supposed to differentiate with respect to t, dv/dt would make acceleration, but differentiating the cos and sin functions, does that just end up with θ' or is it now θ"?
Also I'm sorry if you read this before I fix the math code stuff, I've never used it!
You are aware that, when using cylindrical coordinates, to get the acceleration of a particle, you need to take into consideration the changes in the unit vectors in the radial and circumferential directions with respect circumferential angle, correct? What this problem is asking for is the component of the particle acceleration in the radial polar coordinate direction. @davidbenari correctly expressed this component of the acceleration in his first post. I think it would be appropriate if david handled your questions with regard to this problem. How about it, David?

Chet
 

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