Moving Schwarzschild Black Hole

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of transforming the Schwarzschild metric into a coordinate system that allows for a moving black hole, similar to transformations in Minkowski spacetime. Participants explore the implications of such transformations and related coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Schwarzschild metric can be expressed in rectangular coordinates, suggesting the potential for transformations that allow for a moving black hole.
  • One participant asserts that any coordinates can be used for such transformations, implying flexibility in the choice of coordinate systems.
  • Another participant acknowledges the existence of well-accepted alternative coordinate systems, such as isotropic coordinates, but notes that they differ from the proposed transformations.
  • This participant emphasizes the importance of maintaining isotropy of the speed of light in any coordinate system used, suggesting that failure to do so could lead to inconsistencies in the physics described by those coordinates.
  • It is mentioned that while local transformations via Lorentz boosts are possible, a global transformation of the Schwarzschild coordinates through a Lorentz boost is not feasible.
  • One participant suggests that the effort to transform the metric could lead to complications, as it may result in a more complex metric that varies with time.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that these transformations might be relevant for calculating metrics for scenarios involving colliding black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of transforming the Schwarzschild metric into a moving frame. There is no consensus on the exact nature of these transformations or their practicality.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the isotropy of light speed and the challenges of global versus local transformations. The discussion also touches on the complexity introduced by time-varying metrics.

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The Schwarzschild Metric (with ##c=1##),
$$ds^2 = -\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{r}\Big)dt^2+\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{r}\Big)^{-1}dr^2+r^2d\Omega^2$$
can be adjusted to a form involving three rectangular coordinates ##x##, ##y##, and ##z##:
$$ds^2 = -\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{R}\Big)dt^2+\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{R}\Big)^{-1}\big(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2\big)$$
where ##R=\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}##.

Is it possible for one to transform to coordinates that are boosted in the direction of one of the aforementioned coordinates, like one can do with the Minkowski spacetime? (In these coordinates, the black hole would be moving.)
 
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Andrew Kim said:
Is it possible for one to transform to coordinates that are boosted in the direction of one of the aforementioned coordinates, like one can do with the Minkowski spacetime?
Yes, any coordinates can be used.
 
Andrew Kim said:
The Schwarzschild Metric (with ##c=1##),
$$ds^2 = -\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{r}\Big)dt^2+\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{r}\Big)^{-1}dr^2+r^2d\Omega^2$$
can be adjusted to a form involving three rectangular coordinates ##x##, ##y##, and ##z##:
$$ds^2 = -\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{R}\Big)dt^2+\Big(1-\frac{2GM}{R}\Big)^{-1}\big(dx^2+dy^2+dz^2\big)$$
where ##R=\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}##.

Is it possible for one to transform to coordinates that are boosted in the direction of one of the aforementioned coordinates, like one can do with the Minkowski spacetime? (In these coordinates, the black hole would be moving.)

There's good news and bad news. The good news is that there are some well-accepted coordinate system that's similar to what you wrote. The bad news is that they are not exactly the same as what you wrote.

If you look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_metric#Alternative_coordinates, you'll see the isotropic coordinates listed as one of the "alternate coordinate systems", with a line element of:

$${\frac {(1-{\frac {r_{s}}{4R}})^{{2}}}{(1+{\frac {r_{s}}{4R}})^{{2}}}}{dt}^{2}-\left(1+{\frac {r_{s}}{4R}}\right)^{{4}}(dx^{2}+dy^{2}+dz^{2}$$

It might not be obvious why it's a very good idea to have the speed of light be isotropic, but it is. Basically, if your coordinates don't respect the isotropy of the speed of light, your physics when expressed in those coordinates won't respect isotropy either, the "laws of physics" in coordinate form willl be different in different directions, which is rather confusing.

It also won't be possible to globally transform the resulting coordinates via a Lorentz boost, though. It will be possible to locally transform a "frame field" via a Lorentz transform, though. Techniques for transforming coordinates do exist, but you can't do a global coordinate transform via a Lorentz boost. One way of doing a transform is using algebra and the chain rule, i.e noting that d (x*y) is x*dy + y*dx. But I don't have tome to get into the necessary details.

If you have the background, you might look up PPN coordinates. They are part of an approximation method that is widely used in weak field situations, they are based on the isotropic coordinates I mentioned but make further approximations.

Anyway, if you are willing to go to enough effort, you can eventually do something like what you think you want to do, but usually by the time you figure out all the little details of how to do it correctly, you realize that you don't really want to turn a nice, easy-to-work with stationary metric into a harder-to-work with one where the metric coefficients vary with time.
 
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Maybe it's a stepping stone towards calculating the metric for two colliding black holes.
 

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