Movitation For Definitions In Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the motivations behind definitions in physics, particularly how certain quantities like force, torque, and electric fields are defined. Participants explore the implications of these definitions for creating models and their relationship to experimental data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that definitions in physics are essential for developing descriptive and predictive models of observations.
  • Others suggest that the process of defining quantities may involve trial-and-error, where definitions are refined until they best describe phenomena or fit experimental data.
  • One participant emphasizes that the method of arriving at a definition—whether through intuition, logic, or other means—may not be as important as the definition's utility in enhancing predictive capabilities.
  • There is an interest in understanding the historical context and reasoning behind specific definitions, although this is noted as secondary to their practical application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of definitions for modeling and prediction, but there is some debate regarding the process of how these definitions are established and the significance of their origins.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the motivations for definitions, nor does it clarify the specific historical or philosophical implications of these definitions in physics.

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Hello,

I noticed in my physics textbook that we define certain relationships to be true. I can see how this is considerably helpful in deriving other relationships from these definitions; for instance, take position: we define these quantities to be so, and from it we can define other quantities like velocity, acceleration, etc. Moreover, most of the time these definitions are well-grounded and intuitive. However, at other times they aren't. To serve as some examples: force, torque, and electric fields. How were these things defined? What was the reasoning used to define these quantities? What are the motivations for these definitions?
 
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The motivation for all definitions in physics is to be able to create descriptive and predictive models of our observations. If we define force, torque, and electric fields the way we do, we get powerful models. If we define them other ways, we dont.
 
So, the way in which we define something is somewhat of a result of "trial-and-error?" That is, keep trying definitions until we find a definition that best describes something or fits experimental data?
 
Bashyboy said:
So, the way in which we define something is somewhat of a result of "trial-and-error?" That is, we find a definition that best describes something or fits experimental data?

Yes, experiment is generally the final arbiter of whether a definition is useful. How you get the definition doesn't matter, trial and error, intuition, logic, wild guess, burning bush, whatever. Of course its interesting to read about how definitions came about, it gives insight into the process of science. But as far as theories of science are concerned, it doesn't matter at all how you come up with a definition. All that matters is if the definition increase our ability to predict and describe observations or not.
 

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