MS & HIV: A Unique Research Opportunity?

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The discussion revolves around the potential relationship between Multiple Sclerosis (MS) and HIV, particularly exploring whether HIV could be utilized in some way to address the autoimmune aspects of MS. Participants examine the implications of using HIV, an immunodeficient virus, in the context of an autoimmune disease like MS, and the potential for cross-disciplinary insights in biomedical research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if HIV eliminates the immune system, it may prevent the immune system from attacking the nervous system, proposing this as a unique research opportunity.
  • Another participant counters that existing therapies for MS already manipulate the immune system and that using HIV would be a setback rather than a solution.
  • Several participants highlight the fundamental differences between autoimmune diseases and immunodeficient diseases, questioning the feasibility of using HIV to treat MS.
  • There is a suggestion that if MS causes T-cells to attack, and HIV attacks T-cells, there might be a theoretical basis for HIV to stop MS, though this is met with skepticism.
  • One participant expresses concern that the widespread nature of HIV's attack on T-cells would make it an unsuitable treatment for MS, emphasizing that it could be a case of the cure being worse than the disease.
  • A later post raises the idea of identifying the specific antibody responsible for the immune attack on myelin as a more targeted approach to treatment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the viability of using HIV as a treatment for MS, with some arguing against the idea based on the differences between the diseases and the potential risks involved. There is no consensus on the proposed relationship or treatment strategy.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the immune responses involved in both MS and HIV, and the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the mechanisms at play and the implications of potential treatments.

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Now bare with me :)

MS is basically the immune system attacking the nervous system.
HIV is a virus attacking the immune system.

If you contract HIV and have your immune system eliminated. Your immune system than cannot attack your nervous system.

Obviously this is a pretty barbaric way of fighting the disease of multiple sclerosis. It would be analogous of amputating an arm because of a broken finger.

Wouldn't this perhaps be an interesting application for research to be done?

Ofcoarse chances are that I'm likely quite incorrect on how it works.
 
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There is already research into, and existing therapies for MS that manipulate the immune system (immunosuppressants). Using such a blunt hammer as HIV would be more a set-back.

Of course, that doesn't mean that one field cannot benefit from the other, and that sort of thing does happen with biomedical research quite often...someone studies the mechanism of action for one thing, and along the way, finds a way to manipulate something relevant for another disease, and the research jumps disciplines. So, there's always the chance that someone studying HIV will learn something about the mechanism it uses to suppress the immune system that will turn out useful as a more targetted therapy for something else (whether MS, or other things like immunosuppression for organ transplants).

To say much more than that, though, would be far too speculative at this time.
 
Now bare with me :)

WHAT?? :confused: You want us to get NAKED with you?! :smile:

Plus, there is a difference between an autoimmune disease (where the body actually attacks itself) and and immunodeficient disease (where a virus attacks the body). MS attacks the CNS. HIV attacks the T-cells. I don't think using one to cure the other would work.
 
Tsu said:
WHAT?? :confused: You want us to get NAKED with you?! :smile:

Plus, there is a difference between an autoimmune disease (where the body actually attacks itself) and and immunodeficient disease (where a virus attacks the body). MS attacks the CNS. HIV attacks the T-cells. I don't think using one to cure the other would work.
I think what the OP is saying is, if MS causes the T-cells to attack, and HIV attacks the T-cells, then HIV could stop MS. (I don't know whether MS causes the T-cells to attack.)
 
A case of the cure being worse than the disease?
 
EnumaElish said:
I think what the OP is saying is, if MS causes the T-cells to attack, and HIV attacks the T-cells, then HIV could stop MS. (I don't know whether MS causes the T-cells to attack.)

Right. And I'm saying that won't work. :smile: The MD's I've talked to about it here at my hospital also agree. The HIV is widespread and attacking all of the body's T-cells, not just the ones that attack the myelin sheath in MS. No Time is correct. It's a case of the cure being worse than the disease.
 
So, the only thing we have to do is to find the Antibody that is making the immune system attack the myelin and get ride of it.

Any Ideas?
 

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