Munkres Topology Ch. 1 section 2 Ex #1

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This discussion focuses on the properties of functions and their inverses as presented in Munkres' Topology, specifically in Chapter 1, Section 2, Example 1. The participants clarify that the notation for the inverse function, denoted as ##f^{-1}##, can be misleading when applied to individual elements of the codomain rather than subsets. It is established that ##f^{-1}(f(A_0))## is correctly expressed as ##\bigcup_{a\in A_0} f^{-1}(\{f(a)\})##, emphasizing the importance of context in understanding inverse functions, especially when the function is not bijective. The discussion concludes that while shorthand notation may be convenient, it can lead to confusion and should be used cautiously.

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If ##f: A\rightarrow B## and ##A_0\subset A## and ##B_0\subset B##. (a) show that ##A_0\subset f^{-1}(f(A_0))## and that equality holds if ##f## is injective. (b) show that ##f(f^{-1}(B_0))\subset B_0## and that equality holds if ##f## is surjective.
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The definitions of injective and surjective. Also definitions of ##f## and ##f^{-1}## restricted to a subset of the domain or range. I think I understand this part on my own but will type these up below if you want me to, I’m on my phone and TeX is a pain.
Mostly I need to clear up a few basic things about functions and their inverses, the problem seems easy enough. Ok, so for (a) I have

$$f^{-1}(f(A_0))= \left\{ f^{-1}(f(a)) | a\in A_0\right\}$$

but here I’m not certain if ##f^{-1}## is allowed to be multi-valued or not, the text says that if ##f## is bijective then ##f^{-1}## exists and is also bijective. But it didn’t specifically say “if, and only if” just if. And clearly the problem stipulates the existence of the inverse of ##f## even if it is not even injective so I’m unclear as to the nature of the inverse function here? I hope that makes sense.
 
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If ##f## is a function from ##A## to ##B## and if ##C\subset B##, then ##f^{-1}(C)## means, just by definition, the set ##\{a\in A: f(a)\in C\}.## It is not the image of ##C## under a function called ##f^{-1}##, and we are not assuming that ##f## is invertible.

With this in mind,
benorin said:
$$f^{-1}(f(A_0))= \left\{ f^{-1}(f(a)) | a\in A_0\right\}$$

doesn't make sense. In your RHS, you are applying ##f^{-1}## to an element of ##B## rather than a subset of ##B##. Even if you were to write ##\{f^{-1}(\{f(a)\}):a\in A_0\}## on your RHS (and it is indeed a common 'abuse of notation' to write ##f^{-1}(x)## in place of ##f^{-1}(\{x\})##), it would still be off. For example, suppose ##f:\{0,1\}\to \{0,1\}## is just the constant function ##f(0)=f(1)=0.## Then your RHS is ##\{f^{-1}(0)\}=\{\{0,1\}\},## which is not a subset of the domain, whereas your LHS is ##f^{-1}(\{0\})=\{a\in \{0,1\}: f(a)\in\{0\}\}=\{a\in \{0,1\}: f(a)=0\}=\{0,1\}.##

A correct expression along these lines would be ##f^{-1}(f(A_0))=\bigcup_{a\in A_0} f^{-1}(\{f(a)\}),## but this doesn't really get you closer to a solution. Instead, try to show that ##A_0## is always a subset of ##f^{-1}(f(A_0))## by taking an element of ##A_0## and showing that it must be in ##f^{-1}(f(A_0)).##
 
Infrared said:
If ##f## is a function from ##A## to ##B## and if ##C\subset B##, then ##f^{-1}(C)## means, just by definition, the set ##\{a\in A: f(a)\in C\}.## It is not the image of ##C## under a function called ##f^{-1}##, and we are not assuming that ##f## is invertible.

This^ helps, thanks. Now that I'm on my Mac (and not my phone) I will write the step I skipped earlier, namely

$$\boxed{f^{-1}(f(A_0))= \left\{ f^{-1}(b) | b\in f(A_0)\right\} } =\left\{ f^{-1}(f(a)) | a\in A_0\right\}$$
I now know that the second equality doesn't make sense given what you said. I did think that ##\{ b | b\in f(A_0)\} = \{ f(a) | a\in A_0\}## was an ok simplification. I guess not.

Infrared said:
With this in mind,doesn't make sense. In your RHS, you are applying ##f^{-1}## to an element of ##B## rather than a subset of ##B##. Even if you were to write ##\{f^{-1}(\{f(a)\}):a\in A_0\}## on your RHS (and it is indeed a common 'abuse of notation' to write ##f^{-1}(x)## in place of ##f^{-1}(\{x\})##), it would still be off. For example, suppose ##f:\{0,1\}\to \{0,1\}## is just the constant function ##f(0)=f(1)=0.## Then your RHS is ##\{f^{-1}(0)\}=\{\{0,1\}\},## which is not a subset of the domain, whereas your LHS is ##f^{-1}(\{0\})=\{a\in \{0,1\}: f(a)\in\{0\}\}=\{a\in \{0,1\}: f(a)=0\}=\{0,1\}.##

A correct expression along these lines would be ##f^{-1}(f(A_0))=\bigcup_{a\in A_0} f^{-1}(\{f(a)\}),## but this doesn't really get you closer to a solution. Instead, try to show that ##A_0## is always a subset of ##f^{-1}(f(A_0))## by taking an element of ##A_0## and showing that it must be in ##f^{-1}(f(A_0)).##

From the usage in the text, I've inferred that ##f^{-1}## may be applied to both an element of ##B## and a subset of ##B##, where context is key, as I have seen both explicitly; is the former only valid if ##f## is invertible?
 
benorin said:
I did think that ##\{ b | b\in f(A_0)\} = \{ f(a) | a\in A_0\}## was an ok simplification. I guess not.
This is basically correct, but not what you did in your OP. The LHS is a little clunky though- why would you write ##\{x: x\in E\}## instead of just ##E.##?

In general though, when writing sets in this way, it's better to write something like ##\{x\in C: \Phi(x)\}## instead of ##\{x:\Phi(x)\}## where ##\Phi(x)## is some predicate. If you don't include a domain, then you can get issues like Russel's paradox (thinking about the "set" ##\{x:x\notin x\}## leads to contradictions) as well as just annoying ambiguities, e.g. in ##\{x: x^3=1\}##, is ##x## supposed to be a real number, or a complex number, or maybe a matrix...? Here it's clear what you mean, but just be careful.
benorin said:
From the usage in the text, I've inferred that ##f^{-1}## may be applied to both an element of ##B## and a subset of ##B##, where context is key, as I have seen both explicitly; is the former only valid if ##f## is invertible?
If ##f## is invertible, then ##f^{-1}(b)## makes sense- it is just the function ##f^{-1}## applied to the element ##b.## If ##f## is not necessarily invertible, then to be perfectly strict, you should only write ##f^{-1}(C)## where ##C## is a subset of ##B##, but sometimes ##f^{-1}(b)## is written as shorthand for ##f^{-1}(\{b\})##, and this latter expression is well-defined (it's the set of all elements of ##A## that map to ##b##).
For example, if ##f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}## is the function ##f(x)=x^2##, then ##f^{-1}(1)=f^{-1}(\{1\})=\{1,-1\}## according to this notation. ##f^{-1}## is not a function on its own. It might be a good idea to avoid this shorthand if you're still getting used to this stuff.
 
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