Must Expectation Values Be Real?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of expectation values in quantum mechanics, specifically questioning whether they must always be real. The original poster expresses confusion regarding obtaining an imaginary expectation value from a calculation involving the momentum operator.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of obtaining an imaginary expectation value, questioning the validity of the calculations and the properties of operators associated with observables. There is mention of the role of self-adjoint operators and the conditions under which complex values might arise.

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Some participants assert that expectation values should be real and suggest re-evaluating calculations if an imaginary result is obtained. There is a light-hearted acknowledgment of the discussion's potential classification as homework-related, indicating a mix of seriousness and humor in the conversation.

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Participants note that the discussion may be perceived as homework-related due to its focus on foundational concepts in quantum mechanics, and there is a suggestion that the topic could be more engaging if it involved deeper philosophical implications.

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Is it true that all expectation values must be real? So if I get an imaginary value, does it mean I made a mistake? Or it doesn't matter and I can just take the absolute value of the expectation?

The momentum operator has an 'i' in it. But after doing, Psi*[P]Psi, I have an expression with 'i' which means I am left with an imaginary expectation value? What should I do?
 
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pivoxa15 said:
Is it true that all expectation values must be real?
Absolutely. They are weighted averages over possible measurement outcomes. The outcomes are real, the weights (probabilities) are real, so the expectation value has to be real. By the way, this is why the operators associated with observables are self-adjoint. The eigenvalues of operators associated with observables are the possible outcomes of measurements. And eigenvalues of self-adjoint operators are real. See how things hang together?
So if I get an imaginary value, does it mean I made a mistake?
Obviously.
 
I would say that with high probability, you need to go back and redo your calculation.

The "i" in the operator should get eliminated by an i that appears when you apply d/dx to something that looks like exp(ix).

The only time you might legitimately get a complex answer to something like this is when you are violating unitarity (if I recall correctly). That means that probability isn't being conserved, so your problem might involve a radioactive decay. But even then, you won't get a purely imaginary answer.

By the way, there is a pretty good probability that this discussion will get banished to homework land. The basic idea is that if it's not interesting enough to make the local experts call each other names, then it must be homework.

Carl
 
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CarlB said:
By the way, there is a pretty good probability that this discussion will get banished to homework land. The basic idea is that if it's not interesting enough to make the local experts call each other names, then it must be homework.
Carl

HAHA; I like the way you put it!
 
CarlB said:
The basic idea is that if it's not interesting enough to make the local experts call each other names, then it must be homework.
And if it's interesting enough, it may get banished to the philosophy forum! :biggrin:
 
TriTertButoxy said:
HAHA; I like the way you put it!

Yup me too! Anyway check your calculations (as already pointed out...)
 

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