Mutlivariable Calculus: Level Set

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The discussion revolves around finding a real-valued function F(x,y,z) whose 0-level set corresponds to the image of a given map f: R^2 -> R^3 defined by f(u,v) = (2uv, v^2, u+v). Participants are exploring the concept of level sets in multivariable calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of level sets and the implications of the mapping. There are attempts to express variables u and v in terms of x, y, and z, with some questioning the choice of signs in square roots. Others are exploring how to derive a function F from the relationships established.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being proposed. Some participants have suggested expressions for F and are questioning the validity of these expressions. There is an acknowledgment that multiple functions could satisfy the level set condition, and the conversation is focused on deriving one such function.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of choosing different signs for square roots and the resulting impact on their expressions. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in eliminating variables to find a suitable function F.

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Q: Find a real-valued function F(x,y,z) whose 0-level set is the image of the map f: R^2 -> R^3 defined by f(u,v) = (2uv, v^2, u+v).

I know that by definition,
f: U C R^n -> R, U is the domain of f.
The level set of value c E R is the set of those points x E U at which f(x)=c.
i.e. c-level set = {x E U | f(x) = c} C R^n

But I don't know how to proceed from here, can someone please help me out?
 
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I know it's hard, but someone here must know how to solve it...
 
Well, If (x,y,z) lies on your level set surface then v=sqrt(y) and u=z-sqrt(y). What's x? Does that suggest anything?
 
Dick said:
Well, If (x,y,z) lies on your level set surface then v=sqrt(y) and u=z-sqrt(y). What's x? Does that suggest anything?

Is this true: F(x,y,z) = F(2uv, v^2, u+v) = 0 ?

Also, why is v=sqrt(y)? Shouldn't it be v=+/-sqrt(y)?
 
kingwinner said:
Is this true: F(x,y,z) = F(2uv, v^2, u+v) = 0 ?

Also, why is v=sqrt(y)? Shouldn't it be v=+/-sqrt(y)?

You can choose a sign on sqrt(y) if you want. But that's not very important. The point is you can determine u and v in terms of y and z. That means x is determined in terms of y and z. Once you have an expression involving only x,y and z, you can put all the terms on one side and call that F.
 
But how do I know which sign of sqrt(y) should I choose? Choosing a different sign gives different answers...

"Once you have an expression involving only x,y and z" <---how can I actually get this?


Thanks a lot!
 
kingwinner said:
But how do I know which sign of sqrt(y) should I choose? Choosing a different sign gives different answers...

"Once you have an expression involving only x,y and z" <---how can I actually get this?


Thanks a lot!

There are an infinite number of functions that have that level set. You shouldn't be suprised that there isn't just one answer. All you have to do is find one. And I've shown you how to find y and z in terms of u and v, but you still haven't told me what x is in terms of y and z.
 
Set
x=2uv
y=v^2
z=u+v

Eliminating u and v, I get
4yz^2-4xy-x^2-4y^2=0

"Once you have an expression involving only x,y and z, you can put all the terms on one side and call that F." <---Why would this be F? I know that I have an expression in terms of x,y,z only, but why would this expression be equal to F?
 
Well, if you define F(x,y,z)=4yz^2-4xy-x^2-4y^2, would you agree F(x,y,z)=0 if (x,y,z) is in the image of f?
 

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