My bra-ket calcs seem to be going wrong - help

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The discussion revolves around a participant's confusion regarding the application of bra-ket notation in quantum mechanics, specifically related to the representation of a ket in the position basis and the implications of the Parity operator. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation of inner products and eigenstates.

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  • One participant presents a calculation involving the ket representation of a wave function and identifies a contradiction in their reasoning regarding the evaluation of \(\psi(-x)\).
  • Another participant points out an error in the original calculation, clarifying that the notation \(|-x\rangle\) refers to the eigenket of the position operator with eigenvalue \(-x\), not the application of the operator \(-1\) on \(|x\rangle\).
  • A third participant expresses understanding after the clarification, acknowledging the potential confusion in labeling kets with numbers.
  • A fourth participant introduces the concept of the Parity operator \(P\) and discusses its eigenvalues, suggesting a deeper exploration of the implications of parity on the eigenstates.
  • The fourth participant also notes a potential distinction between their explanation and the original post, indicating a different approach to the problem.

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Participants generally agree on the clarification provided regarding the notation and the distinction between \(-|x\rangle\) and \(|-x\rangle\). However, there remains some uncertainty regarding the implications of the Parity operator and how it relates to the original confusion.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of the Parity operator and the specific conditions under which the eigenvalues are defined. The discussion does not fully resolve the initial contradiction presented by the first participant.

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What am I doing wrong here?

Let \psi be a ket whose representation in the X basis is given by
\psi(x)\ =\ \langle x|\psi\rangle\ =\ e^{-x^{2}/2}

Then
\psi(-x)\ =\ \langle -x|\psi\rangle\ =\ e^{-x^{2}/2}\ = \psi(x) (1)

But we also have:
\psi(-x)\ =\ \langle -x|\psi\rangle (2)
\ =\ \langle (-1)\times x)|\psi\rangle (3), by the linearity of the inner product
\ =\ (-1)^*\times\langle x|\psi\rangle (4)
\ =\ -\langle x|\psi\rangle (5)
\ = -\psi(x) (6)

and this contradicts (1).

I must have gone wrong here somewhere. I think it might be in (2) or (3). But I can't see the problem.

Thank you very much for any help.
 
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Going from (3) to (4) is wrong. The ket |x> is the eigenket of the position operator with eigenvalue x. The notation generally |-x> means the eigenket of the position operator with eigenvalue -x. It is NOT "the operator -1 acting on the eigenket |x>." This confusion is understandable since we sometimes write "the ket obtained by acting on the ket |ψ> with the operator A" as |Aψ>; however that is not the meaning intended in this case.

So you need to be clear on the distinction between -|x> and |-x>. For instance, while both are eigenstates of the position operator, the first has eigenvalue x, while the second has eigenvalue -x. The first one is a multiple of the ket |x>, while the second one is completely orthogonal to |x>.
 
Thank you Duck. It all makes sense now.

I always thought using numbers to label kets was a bit dicey, and now I see why.
From now on I'll remind myself that
|x\rangle is really |\delta_x\rangle
 
I agree with what The Duck said. I will take this a bit further for your curiosity's sake.

Define the Parity operator P by

P|x> = |-x>.

The eigenvalues of P can be either 1 or -1 (try and prove this or tell me if you can't. Hint for proof: consider P^2 and it's eigenvalues).

These are the ONLY eigenvalues P can take.

In the -1 (odd) case, we have P|x> = -|x>, and since P|x> = |-x>, we get |-x> = -|x>.

This is the case you have described here.

In the other case, (eigenvalue of P is +1), you would get

-|-x> = |x>.

Edit: I'm not sure if what I've described is exactly the same as what you have in the OP because you are doing the inner product whereas I am acting an operator on |x>. Food for thought...
 

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