Relativistic Kinetic Energy: Does Mass Change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relativistic kinetic energy and whether mass changes as an object's speed approaches the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of Special Relativity on kinetic energy calculations, contrasting classical and relativistic approaches.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that according to Special Relativity, mass increases with speed, represented by the equation m=m0γ, and question if this should be included in kinetic energy calculations.
  • Others argue that the classical kinetic energy formula KE=0.5mv² is only valid at low speeds and that the correct relativistic expression is KE=(γ-1)m0c², which aligns with relativistic principles.
  • A participant mentions that the concept of relativistic mass has been largely abandoned in favor of better descriptions and provides a link to an article discussing this shift.
  • Another participant suggests avoiding the notion of relativistic mass and instead using proper time to derive the relativistic kinetic energy formula, proposing a method involving time dilation and momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and validity of the concept of relativistic mass, with some advocating for its abandonment while others maintain its significance in discussions of kinetic energy. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference classical and relativistic formulations of kinetic energy, indicating limitations in the classical approach at high velocities. There is also mention of the historical context of the relativistic mass concept and its evolving acceptance in the physics community.

Weam Abou Hamdan
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Hello,

According to Special Relativity, the mass of an object must increase as its speed approaches the speed of light.
m=m0γ
In the formula that allows us to calculate the kinetic energy of a body, KE=0.5mv2, should we take into consideration such increase in mass?

Weam Abou Hamdan
Wednesday, August 22, 2018
 
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Weam Abou Hamdan said:
Hello,

According to Special Relativity, the mass of an object must increase as its speed approaches the speed of light.
m=m0γ
In the formula that allows us to calculate the kinetic energy of a body, KE=0.5mv2, should we take into consideration such increase in mass?
That ##mv^2/2## formula for the kinetic energy is a classical approximation that only works at speeds that are small compared the speed of light. The correct relativistic expression for the kinetic energy is ##(\gamma-1)m_0c^2## where ##\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}## and ##m_0## is the mass of the object when it is at rest. (It would be a good exercise to confirm that this expression approaches ##mv^2/2## when ##v## is small compared with ##c## - expanding ##\gamma## in a power series in ##v/c## will do the trick).

Although you'll hear that bit about the mass of an object increasing a lot, this idea has been largely abandoned in recent decades - there are better ways of describing what happens. This comes up so often that we have an Insights article: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-is-relativistic-mass-and-why-it-is-not-used-much/
 
Weam Abou Hamdan said:
According to Special Relativity, the mass of an object must increase as its speed approaches the speed of light.
Even as early as Einstein the concept of relativistic mass has been recommended against. Here is a good paper on the topic:

https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0504110
 
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Weam Abou Hamdan said:
Hello,

According to Special Relativity, the mass of an object must increase as its speed approaches the speed of light.
m=m0γ
In the formula that allows us to calculate the kinetic energy of a body, KE=0.5mv2, should we take into consideration such increase in mass?

Weam Abou Hamdan
Wednesday, August 22, 2018
Please stop thinking about relativistic mass. Instead, find out what proper time is, and use the quantity t/γ as time and do the normal kinematic derivation of kinetic energy. The γ will end up giving you the relativistic kinetic energy formula.

Using t/γ as time:

Divide x by t/γ
Miltiply by m to get relativistic momentum
Take the derivative with respect to t to get force
Integrate over distance (changing the variable to v) to get relativistic kinetic energy.

Basically the same thing you’d do in non-relativistic physics but starting with t/γ instead of t.This old post by a site mentor goes through it more concisely:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/derivation-of-relativistic-energy.63380/#post-458653
 

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