My proof of very basic measure theory theorem

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The discussion revolves around a proof related to a basic theorem in measure theory concerning the measurability of sets and their closures. Participants evaluate the validity of the proof and clarify the definitions involved.

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  • One participant presents a proof claiming that if E is measurable, then its closure \overline{E} is also measurable, and vice versa.
  • Another participant argues that the proof is incorrect, stating that to show \overline{E} is measurable, one must demonstrate the condition for any set A, not just for A=E.
  • It is noted that the converse of the theorem is not true, as all closed sets are measurable, but not all sets E need to be measurable.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used, with some participants interpreting the bar as indicating the complement rather than the closure of the set.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the proof and the interpretation of the notation. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proof or the definitions being used.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity in definitions and the conditions required to establish measurability, indicating potential misunderstandings in the proof's assumptions.

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Hi. I have a proof of a very basic measure theory theorem related to the definition of a measure, and would like to ask posters if the proof is wrong.

Theorem: If [itex]E[/itex] is measurable, then [itex]\overline{E}[/itex] is measurable and conversely.

My Proof:
Let's try the converse version first.

[itex]m(E)=m(E \cap \overline{E})+m(E \cap E)[/itex]
[itex]=m(E \cap \overline{E})+m(E)[/itex]
So [itex]m(E \cap \overline{E})=0[/itex]. By this we've shown that [itex]\overline{E}[/itex] is measurable. Converse is true by similar method.

[itex]m(\overline{E})=m(\overline{E} \cap \overline{E})+m(\overline{E} \cap E)[/itex]
[itex]=m(\overline{E})+m(E \cap \overline{E})[/itex]
[itex]=m(\overline{E})+0=m(\overline{E}).[/itex]
 
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That is in fact, completely wrong. In order to show that [itex]\overline{E}[/itex] is measurable, you have to show that for any set A, [itex]m(A) = m(A \cap \overline{E}) + m(A \cap \overline{\overline{E}})[/itex]. You seem to be trying to do this only in the case where A=E, which is not sufficient.
 
And the converse is not true. The thing is that all closed sets are measurable. So [itex]\overline{E}[/itex] is always measurable. But E doesn't need to be.
 
I took the meaning of the bar to be compliment, rather than closure. gunitinug, can you confirm that that's what the notation means?
 
Citan Uzuki said:
I took the meaning of the bar to be compliment, rather than closure. gunitinug, can you confirm that that's what the notation means?

Aah, yes. That would make sense...
 

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