Mylar sheet, 1 sq foot charged to 20 KV, clap to discharge

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The discussion revolves around the experience of discharging a charged mylar sheet and the associated calculations of energy discharge. Participants explore the implications of the event, the calculations involved, and the safety concerns related to high voltage discharges. The conversation includes technical aspects of capacitance and dielectric properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recounts an experience of discharging a 1 square foot mylar sheet charged to approximately 20 kV, noting physical sensations and questioning potential long-term effects.
  • Another participant challenges the calculations presented, questioning the surface area used and the thickness of the mylar sheet, suggesting that the teacher's method of charging the sheet may be unsafe.
  • A participant provides a calculation for capacitance based on the dielectric constant and dimensions of the mylar sheet, leading to a discussion about the energy stored and discharged.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of discharging such a high voltage, with one participant emphasizing the potential dangers of the situation and the need for accurate measurements.
  • Participants express skepticism about the teacher's actions and the safety protocols in place during the demonstration.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the safety of the demonstration or the accuracy of the calculations. There are competing views regarding the method of charging the mylar sheet and the implications of the discharge experience.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations depend on assumptions about the thickness of the mylar sheet and the contact area of the hands, which are not definitively established in the discussion. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the exact method used to charge the mylar sheet.

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The teacher charged a 1 square foot sheet of mylar sheet up to approx DC 20 kv one day long ago in school via an modified EHT output of a TV.
I had one of my mates hold it by the corners in line with my hands, I then judged and guessed and clapped it with both hands opposite sides to discharge it.
I felt the compression thru my chest my heart seemed to sort itself out and that was 30 years ago.

Not too sure about brain damage?
I was never that good at basic school work anyway.

Calculation.
I am not sure about the contact closure time of hands (2 mS).
Full Hand to Hand resistance unsure (1 k).
Surface area of hand .054 m square.
Mylar sheet dielectric constant 3.1, thick enough to withstand 20 kv.

I have come up with 1.186 Joules or 600 W roughly discharged.
 
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You have big hands -- or did you add the two sides ?
care to show your calculation ? You left out the mylar thickness
Looks as if teacher should be in jail -- still.
 
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Lets say I have average hands with slightly longer fingers but skinner.
I used 1st result in Google "Surface area of hand" so no I only used one plate.
Calculation well Googled across 2 OS ..copy and past has a problem from Raspberry Pi Pixel OS to Ubuntu Thinlinc Server so can't post all the links to the online caluclators..
Mylar thickness I did say "thick enough to withstand 20 kv." maybe I should of added with corona activity on insulation brake down.
The Teacher did check my condition a few minutes later and I said, Yes I am fine so I guess that covers him...
 
smokingwheels said:
I used 1st result in Google "Surface area of hand" so no I only used one plate
Surface area of hand is what gets wet when you submerge it. The contact area with the mylar is much smaller.

How does teacher put charge on a mylar sheet ? Is the surface conducting somehow ? Or does he just rub it on ?
smokingwheels said:
Calculation well Googled across 2 OS ..copy and past has a problem from Raspberry Pi Pixel OS to Ubuntu Thinlinc Server so can't post all the links to the online caluclators..

?

You did something like ## Q = CV ##

with ##C =\displaystyle {\varepsilon_0 \varepsilon_r A \over d } ##

so, say ##C\approx \displaystyle{3.1 \ 8.9\,10^{-12} \ 0.054 \over 50\, 10^{-6} }\ = 30 ## nF

(for a 50 ##\mu## thick sheet)

and Q ## \approx 0.0006 ## C ?

So that ##E = {1\over 2} CV^2\approx 6 ## J ?
 
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BvU said:
Looks as if teacher should be in jail -- still.
No kidding, what an idiot.

@smokingwheels -- You would need the thickness of the Mylar sheet and its area. I'm assuming it had metalization on both sides, and it was charged up like a capacitor. You calculate the capacitance using a simple formula that you can look up, involving the area, thickness and dielectric constant. Clapping it with your hands give you an arm-to-arm shock, which is extremely dangerous. You were lucky your heart didn't go into ventricular fibrillation. Thread is done.

EDIT -- I see BvU helped you with the calculations. Thanks BvU. :smile:
 
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