Naive question about black smokers at the ocean rifts

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The discussion centers around the colonization of black smokers at ocean rifts, exploring how life forms such as tube worms and shrimp reach these extreme environments from colder ocean waters. The scope includes biological, ecological, and evolutionary aspects of life in these unique habitats.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the mechanism by which organisms colonize black smokers, suggesting that abiogenesis is unlikely to be occurring there.
  • Another participant clarifies that the question pertains to how organisms reach the smokers through cold water, proposing that they may have evolved in shallower waters as rifts formed.
  • It is suggested that bacteria are the initial colonizers, leading to the development of a mini-ecosystem as other organisms feed on them.
  • Some participants note that organisms can travel vast distances in the ocean and may thrive when conditions are favorable.
  • There is a mention of organisms entering dormancy in extreme conditions, allowing them to be transported by ocean currents until conditions improve.
  • One participant discusses the reproductive strategies of relevant organisms, indicating that larvae and eggs can drift considerable distances before establishing new populations near smokers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses regarding the colonization of black smokers, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the mechanisms and evolutionary processes involved.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the evolutionary history of these organisms and their dispersal mechanisms are not fully explored, leaving open questions about the specifics of their life cycles and environmental adaptations.

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Naive: how are black smokers at the ocean rifts colonized?

Ok, please don't hammer me. It's a very naive question. I assume that abiogenesis is not occurring at the black smokers, or there would be worldwide press about it. So how can the colonizing life forms (tube worms, lobster things, shrimp things) get all the way across the relatively cold ocean to get to the smokers?
 
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Cold ocean? A smoker spits water at 400°C...
 
No Soma, Bore was asking how did the organisms which live around the black smoker in the hot water get there in the first place as to get there they would need to pass through lots of cold water first.

Maybe they just evolved there when the sea was shallower, i.e as the rift was forming and followed the smokers down as old ones would go otu and new ones would form as the oceon's plates moved.
 
Well it starts with bacteria developing there... then the other animals stroll on in feeding on the bacteria and it develops a mini-ecosystem with a complete food chain. Some of the organisms that are there specifically evolved for life there over many, many years.
 
Some nice articles and pictures of ocean floor communities from MBARI:

http://www.mbari.org/topics/biology/bio-seafloor.htm
 
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Organisms can travel vast distances through the water, when they hit the right conditions they will start to thrive.
 
Let's also consider that in harsh extremes of living-condition, nature will select for organisms that can go into dormancy (of one kind of another) until things improve. Ocean currents can transport such potential survivors all over the globe until conditions are right.
 
Many of the relevant organisms release larvae and eggs that do not require hot water very soon. They can drift considerable distances before they run out of food stores (or luck!) If they drift or swim near to another smoker they settle down and establish a new population.
There are many variations on the theme. The whole business is marvellous almost beyond bearing...

Jon
 

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