Natural rope friction and snapping

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of rope breakage, specifically comparing natural fiber ropes and synthetic ropes. Participants explore the reasons behind different breakage patterns observed in videos, focusing on the behavior of linen hemp compared to other natural fibers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that natural fibers tend to break in the dynamic section due to bending failure.
  • There is a discussion on the failure modes of natural fibers, including potential tensile failure, longitudinal shearing, and transverse shear as the rope bends.
  • One participant notes that natural fibers are generally less elastic than synthetic fibers, which may contribute to their inability to withstand repeated bending stresses.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between the bending of green and dead twigs to illustrate the brittleness of natural fibers.
  • A later reply expresses skepticism about the reliability of the analysis presented, suggesting it should be approached with caution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the mechanisms of rope breakage, with no consensus reached on the definitive causes or failure modes of natural fibers versus synthetic ropes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of natural and synthetic fibers, as well as the complexity of determining failure modes from observational data.

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Ok, so there is a little discussion going on in my circle of associates at the moment regarding rope break dynamics:

http://esinem.com/news/rope-friction-break-tests

If you watch both videos, you can see that some ropes (usually the synthetic ones) will saw through the static bight of the rope, while others (usually the natural fibres) will break on the dynamic portion.

Linen hemp, however acted like a syntheyic rather than a natural and sawed through the bight.

So can anyone explain to me why:

A) natural fibres break in the dynamic section

B) linen hemp broke the bight like a syntheyic rope.

Thanks and praise will be lavished upon whomever is able to increase my understanding.
 
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conaire said:
A) natural fibres break in the dynamic section
Bending failure.
 
Bystander said:
Bending failure.
Is there anywhere I could find the concept in laymans terms?
 
Compare the number of times you can bend a green twig before it breaks to the number for a dead twig. The moving bight is being bent repeatedly around the static bight, and a lot of natural fibers used for rope are brittle. What the actual failure mode of a bundle of natural fibers would be is a little difficult to determine from first principles, or from the videos: it could be pure tensile on the outside radius of the bundle as it goes around the bend; it could be longitudinal (axial) shearing of rough fiber surfaces against each other around the bend; transverse shear of fiber lays against each other around the bend; but, probably a mix of all of the above plus other effects. Natural fibers are generally not going to be as elastic as the artificial, so they can't handle the high tensile strain of repeated bending in the moving bight as well as the synthetics do.
 
Bystander said:
Compare the number of times you can bend a green twig before it breaks to the number for a dead twig. The moving bight is being bent repeatedly around the static bight, and a lot of natural fibers used for rope are brittle. What the actual failure mode of a bundle of natural fibers would be is a little difficult to determine from first principles, or from the videos: it could be pure tensile on the outside radius of the bundle as it goes around the bend; it could be longitudinal (axial) shearing of rough fiber surfaces against each other around the bend; transverse shear of fiber lays against each other around the bend; but, probably a mix of all of the above plus other effects. Natural fibers are generally not going to be as elastic as the artificial, so they can't handle the high tensile strain of repeated bending in the moving bight as well as the synthetics do.
Awesome! Thank you so much. :-D
 
This analysis is worth exactly what you paid for it --- it's where I'd start, but I wouldn't hang the future of the company on it.
 

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