Navier Stokes Equations - General Question

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The discussion revolves around the Navier-Stokes equations, specifically addressing the roles of pressure and gravity terms within the equations. Participants explore the implications of these terms in the context of fluid dynamics, particularly in geophysical scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the necessity of both pressure and gravity terms in the Navier-Stokes equations, questioning whether gravity should be included in the pressure term due to its relation to density and temperature differences.
  • Another participant argues that even with identical fluid properties at different altitudes, the presence of a gravity term is essential to represent the potential energy in the system.
  • A participant notes that gravity is typically represented as a body force component, suggesting that other forces, such as centrifugal force, could also be considered.
  • It is proposed that the pressure term accounts for the pressure force driving the fluid, which is distinct from body forces like gravity, indicating that these terms should not be combined.
  • A clarification is provided regarding the momentum equation, outlining the relationship between change of momentum, pressure force, viscous force, and body force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the relationship between pressure and gravity terms, with multiple competing views presented regarding their roles and whether they can be combined.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the definitions and implications of pressure and body forces, as well as the conditions under which these terms operate within the Navier-Stokes equations.

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(This is from the perspective of Geophysical Fluid Dynamics)

In the Navier Stokes equations I am confused as to why there is both a pressure term and a gravity term. Is this pressure resulting from differences in densities and temperature differences alone? I would think that the gravity term would be lumped into the pressure term. Can someone please clarify?

I am sorry if this makes no sense I am just trying to understand,

Thanks for your help.

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Engineering-wise a look into energy balance is always comfortable. If in the system there are two distinct bodies of fluid, having same velocity, density, pressure and temperature, but at different altitudes, the system still has the energy potential to do something. If the gravity term would be missing from Navier-Stokes equations, then they would not show this potential.

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Chusslove Illich (Часлав Илић)
 
gravity is usually shown for the body force component. However this can also be centrifugal force etc.
 
the pressure term should be for the pressure force driving the fluid. In compressible flow this is the same pressure that change with temperature and density. The body force is of different nature. It cannot be lump into the pressure term. Perhaps because all terms on RHS are forces, and this gives you the impression that they can be lump together. In fact, they are different.

the momentum equation:

Change of momentum = pressure force + viscous force + body force
 

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