What does the Navier-Stokes equation look like after time discretization?

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The discussion revolves around the time discretization of the Navier-Stokes equation as presented in a paper by Prof. S. Popinet. Participants are exploring the implications of using different time intervals for various terms in the equation, particularly in the context of a finite difference scheme and the projection method for solving fluid dynamics problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references the general form of the Navier-Stokes equation and expresses confusion about the use of different time intervals (n-1, n+0.5, n+1) for various terms in the discretized equation.
  • Another participant notes that the provided link to the paper is not functional.
  • A different participant suggests that un+0.5 is likely known when calculating un+1, implying a sequential dependency in the time-stepping process.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the time step projection method, indicating that an intermediate velocity is computed and later adjusted to ensure a divergence-free velocity, as described in the paper.
  • One participant questions the notation used in the paper, particularly the density term at n+0.5, suggesting that it seems inconsistent without solving an advection equation, and posits that density terms at n and n+0.5 should be equivalent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the notation and methodology used in the discretization process, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist regarding the treatment of time intervals and variables in the Navier-Stokes equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made in the discretization process, particularly concerning the treatment of density and the implications of using intermediate time steps without explicit advection equations.

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Hi,

I know the general form of the Navier Stokes Equation as follows.
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I am following a software paper of "Gerris flow solver written by Prof. S.Popinet"
[Link:http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.374.5979&rep=rep1&type=pdf]
and he mentions after time discretization he ends with the following equation:
upload_2016-12-2_12-31-35.png

where n-1 is the previous time step, n+1 is the next time step and n+0.5 is mid time for the present time step.

Solving equation implicitly/ explicitly in time means solving for next time data however in the equation there are rather two unknowns un+0.5 and
un+1.

Not sure why he uses different terms at different time intervals. Density at n+0.5, velocity at n, n-1, n+0.5 etc..

Can anyone point me or explain me how he arrives at this specific sort of discretized equation.
 
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The link to the paper doesn't work.
 
I'm not familiar with this particular finite difference scheme, but presumably un+0.5 is already know when you are calculating un+1
 
Sorry for the link.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002199910900240X

@Chestermiller guess that's true. It is being solved by the time step projection method which means an intermediate velocity is computed and later updated to a divergence free velocity by solving the laplace of pressure term as in the mentioned paper.

The notation is a bit strange for me as he uses density at time n+0.5 without solving any advection equation. From what I see density terms at n and n+0.5 should be the same.
 

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