Near Light Velocity: Can Distances Shorten & Universe Appear Flattened?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of traveling at speeds close to the speed of light on the perception of distances and the appearance of the universe. Participants explore concepts related to relativistic effects, including length contraction and visual perception from different frames of reference.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that traveling close to the speed of light would cause distances between objects to shorten, making the universe appear flattened from their perspective.
  • Another participant notes that the perceived length of an object depends on the direction of relative velocity and provides a mathematical expression for length contraction.
  • A question is raised about whether two objects at rest relative to each other would appear closer together to an observer moving relative to them, with an implication that this could be true.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between visual perception and measured distances, indicating that both interpretations of the original question can be valid under different contexts.
  • References to "Terrell rotation" and visualizations of relativistic effects are provided to illustrate how objects might appear to an observer moving at relativistic speeds.
  • Another participant recalls a simulation that demonstrated how the environment appears to an observer traveling at near-light speeds, expressing enthusiasm about the experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the perception of distances and visual appearances at relativistic speeds. There is no consensus on a single interpretation, as different aspects of the discussion remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the observer's frame of reference, the effects of propagation delays on visual perception, and the need for careful interpretation of relativistic phenomena.

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If I attained a speed close to the speed of light the distances between all objects in front and in back of me would shorten causing the universe to appear to flatten out like a disk from my perspective.

Is this true?

On the other hand I have heard that the universe would seem to converge in front of me.

Can these both be true?
 
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Well,it really depends on your direction of relative velocity.Say ur going past an object with relative velocity only in the x direction.Then you would see that if the proper length of the object is [tex]L_0[/tex] and ur relative velocity is [tex]\vec v[/tex] then

the length [tex]L[/tex] perceived by you will be

[tex]L_0_x=\frac{L_x}{\sqrt{1-{v^2/c^2}}}[/tex]
 
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If I have a velocity with respect to objects B and C.
When B and C have no velocity with respect to each other would they appear to get closer together?
Would the distance between them seem to shorten to me because of my velocity?

It seems you are saying yes.
 
You have to be a bit careful to distinguish between what you see with your naked eyes, and what you measure (after taking into account propagation delays).

Both of your statements are true under diffrerent interpretations of your question. See for instance http://www.exo.net/~pauld/stars/PD_images_relativ.html for the visual appearance of "convergence to a point". (It is apparently taken from http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1979AmJPh..47..309M

You might also want to read about "Terrell rotation" as far as visual appearances go, for instance in the sci.physics.faq "Can you see the Lorentz contraction"

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/penrose.html
 
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yes if U are moving with respect to both of them.And if YOU are measuring the length between them while you are moving
 
I remember I watched once simulation on the internet as how environment appears to the observer when he/she travels at velocity near c.
I don't know of site URL any more but I remember it was damn cool to watch.
 

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