# Homework Help: Necessary and sufficient condition for equation and inequality

1. May 9, 2012

### songoku

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Let a and b be real numbers
a. The condition “a + b = 0” is ........for the condition “a = 0 and b = 0”
b. The condition “a + b > 0” is ...........for the condition “a > 0 and b > 0”
c. The condition ab = 0 is ............. for the condition a = b = 0
d. The proposition “ a + b > 2 and ab > 1” is .............for the proposition “ a > 1 and b > 1”
e. The condition a2 – ab + b2 = 0 is ......... for the condition ab = 0

We should fill the blanks with choices:
1. a necessary and sufficient condition
2. a necessary condition, but is not a sufficient condition
3. a sufficient condition, but is not a necessary condition
4. neither a necessary condition nor a sufficient condition

2. Relevant equations
don't know

3. The attempt at a solution
Please tell me what is the requirements for a proposition to be called necessary, or sufficient, or both, or neither

Thanks

2. May 9, 2012

### micromass

Re: necessar and sufficient condition for equation and inequality

P is a necessary condition for Q if Q => P
P is sufficient for Q if P => Q

3. May 9, 2012

### MostlyHarmless

Re: necessar and sufficient condition for equation and inequality

@Micromass: I'm not sure what you're saying gives the whole picture, unless that was your intent?

Sufficient means it is true if you apply the condition. Necessary means its ONLY true if you apply the condition.

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4. May 9, 2012

### HallsofIvy

Re: necessar and sufficient condition for equation and inequality

Same thing in slightly different words: A is "sufficient" for B if knowing "A is true" tells you that "B is true"; that is, "if A is true then B is true".

"If it is raining then I will carry an umbrella".
If you look out the window, you will know I am carrying an umbrella. Knowing "it is raining" is sufficient to tell you "I am carrying an umbrella".

On the other hand, I might be carrying an umbrella because I thought it might rain but it happens that it didn't. Seeing me carrying an umbrella does NOT tell you it is raining. Raining is not necessary to carrying an umbrella.

A is "necessary" for B if the only way B can be true is that A is also true.

On the other hand, If "I carry an umbrella only if it is raining", then seeing me with an umbrella tells you it must be raining.

Of course, if, when I leave the house, it is not already raining, then according to "I carry an umbrella only if it is raining", I cannot carry an umbrella. It might then start raining later, catching me "umbrellaless". That is, "I carry an umbrella only when it is raining" can be true even if it is raining and I do not have an umbrella. The fact that it is raining is not "sufficient" to tell you I am carrying an umbrella. It is, instead, necessary that it be raining in order to make me carry an umbrella.

Notice that, in this second case, seeing me with an umbrella is sufficient to tell you that it is raining. In the first case, "if it is raining then I am carrying an umbrella", the fact that I am carrying an umbrella is necessary before you can no it is raining.

"If A then B" means that knowing A is true is sufficient to knowing B is true and that B being true is necessary to A being true.

"B only if A" is the opposite: it is equivalent to "if B then A".

Of course "A if and only if B" works both ways- A being true is both sufficient and necessary to B being true and B being true is both sufficient and necessary to A being true.

5. May 9, 2012

### songoku

Re: necessar and sufficient condition for equation and inequality

I get it.

Thanks a lot for the help