Undergrad Necessity of Complex Numbers in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion centers on the necessity of complex numbers in quantum mechanics (QM) and whether other algebraically closed fields could suffice. Participants question the requirement for a continuous field like the complex numbers, suggesting that discrete fields or those with high prime characteristics might be adequate. The role of continuous spectra in observables, such as position and momentum, is emphasized as a reason for using complex numbers. There is speculation about using transcendental extensions of complex numbers to incorporate spacetime directly into the scalar field, potentially simplifying the theoretical framework. Ultimately, the conversation explores the implications of these mathematical structures on the foundations of quantum mechanics and general relativity.
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What's the problem with complex numbers? Of course, you can decompose everything in real numbers and work with real quantities only, but why do you want to do this? To the contrary, usually one uses complex exponential functions in purely real theories like electromagnetics instead of sines and cosines, simply because it's easier to handle.
 
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  • #32
vanhees71 said:
What's the problem with complex numbers?
It's no problem. The question was if it is necessary or does the field provide an additional parameter which can be varied, e.g. by a transcendental extension? I think @jambaugh was right, that at its kernel the SM is a real model, so the question about the role of the scalars must be allowed. And the next step was: If it is real and dimensions low, what makes it different from fields with a large positive characteristic? The eigenvalues should be the same in say ##\mathbb{F}_{61}##, which was my original (and now negatively answered) thought.
 
  • #33
fresh_42 said:
I think @jambaugh was right, that at its kernel the SM is a real model, so the question about the role of the scalars must be allowed.
No. The standard model is a quantum field theory, which cannot be formulated naturally without complex numbers.

In canonical quantization or lattice discretizations, the Schrödinger equation involves an explicit imaginary unit ##i##.

In the Euclidean path integral formalism one needs either analytic continuation to imaginary time or an imaginary factor before the action in the exponential.
 
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  • #34
A. Neumaier said:
No. The standard model is a quantum field theory, which cannot be formulated naturally without complex numbers.

In canonical quantization or lattice discretizations, the Schrödinger equation involves an explicit imaginary unit ##i##.

In the Euclidean path integral formalism one needs either analytic continuation to imaginary time or an imaginary factor before the action in the exponential.
And for extending beyond the perturbative one needs to justify another analytic continuation back from the Schwinger function in Euclidean space to the Wightman function in Minkowski space.
 

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