Questions about the arg of complex numbers

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The discussion revolves around the argument of complex numbers, specifically addressing the calculation and interpretation of the argument in the context of the equation z^3 = 8i. Participants explore the concept of the argument, the significance of the integer multiples of 2π, and the implications of multiple solutions for the equation.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the integer multiples of 2π in the argument of complex numbers and seek clarification on their origin.
  • Others explain that the angle for the imaginary number i is π/2, noting that this is the principal value of the argument.
  • A later reply emphasizes that z^3 = 8i has multiple solutions, suggesting that simply dividing the principal value by 3 is insufficient without considering the full set of arguments.
  • Participants mention that the angles for i can be expressed as π/2 plus integer multiples of 2π, indicating the periodic nature of the argument function.
  • Some responses highlight specific angles derived from the equation, such as 1/6π, 5/6π, and -1/2π, based on different values of k.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of the argument of complex numbers and the significance of the angle π/2 for the imaginary unit i. However, there is no consensus on the implications of multiple solutions for the equation z^3 = 8i, as some participants emphasize the need to consider the full set of arguments while others focus on the principal value.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves the complexities of the argument function and its periodicity, as well as the implications of multiple solutions in the context of complex equations.

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Hi PF community, I'm reading about complex numbers and i have some questions about the argument of a complex number that i can't solve with Google or reading again the same page. Well, my first doubt is about
{\displaystyle \arg {z}=\{\operatorname {Arg} z+2\pi n:n\in \mathbb {Z} \}}
, i can't understand where come this and why there is some random integer, i understand
{\displaystyle \arg(z)=\phi \,}
but the previous one is impossible to me. My other doubt is about an example that i saw.
z^3 = 8i
3 arg z = arg(z^3) = arg(8i ) = π/2 + 2kπ,
my question about this is where he find π/2.
If someone can answer and clear my doubts i will be very thankful.
 
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Santiago Perini said:
Hi PF community, I'm reading about complex numbers and i have some questions about the argument of a complex number that i can't solve with Google or reading again the same page. Well, my first doubt is about
{\displaystyle \arg {z}=\{\operatorname {Arg} z+2\pi n:n\in \mathbb {Z} \}}
,
In the formula above ##\arg z## and ##\text{Arg} z## represent, respectively, the angle that z makes with the horizontal (i.e., real) axis, and the angle in the interval ##[0, 2\pi)##.

In your example below, ##\text{Arg} z= \frac \pi 2## since that's the angle that the imaginary number ##i## makes with the real axis. Keep in mind that ##\frac \pi 2, \frac {5\pi} 2, \frac{9\pi} 2## and so on, are all possible angles for ##i##. Each of these is ##\frac \pi 2## plus some integer multiple of ##2\pi##. All of these angles are possible values for ##\arg z## when ##\text{Arg} z= \frac \pi 2##.
Santiago Perini said:
i can't understand where come this and why there is some random integer, i understand
{\displaystyle \arg(z)=\phi \,}
but the previous one is impossible to me. My other doubt is about an example that i saw.
z^3 = 8i
3 arg z = arg(z^3) = arg(8i ) = π/2 + 2kπ,
my question about this is where he find π/2.
If someone can answer and clear my doubts i will be very thankful.
Because ##8i## is an imaginary number that makes an angle of ##\frac \pi 2## with the real axis.
 
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Mark44 said:
In the formula above ##\arg z## and ##\text{Arg} z## represent, respectively, the angle that z makes with the horizontal (i.e., real) axis, and the angle in the interval ##[0, 2\pi)##.

In your example below, ##\text{Arg} z= \frac \pi 2## since that's the angle that the imaginary number ##i## makes with the real axis. Keep in mind that ##\frac \pi 2, \frac {5\pi} 2, \frac{9\pi} 2## and so on, are all possible angles for ##i##. Each of these is ##\frac \pi 2## plus some integer multiple of ##2\pi##. All of these angles are possible values for ##\arg z## when ##\text{Arg} z= \frac \pi 2##.
Because ##8i## is an imaginary number that makes an angle of ##\frac \pi 2## with the real axis.
Thanks for answer your comment cleared my doubts!
 
Here you find something about modulus and argument of complex numbers.

The snag in your example is that ##z^3 = 8i## has several solutions, so just dividing the principal value, sometimes denoted by ##\operatorname {Arg}(8i)## by 3 is not sufficient and one has to look at the full set ##\operatorname {Arg}(8i)+ 2k\pi##. So in the range ##(-\pi,\pi]## one third of that gives us ##{1\over 6}\pi ##, ##{5\over 6}\pi ## and ##-{1\over 2}\pi##, namely with (##k = 0, 1, -1##, respectively)
 
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BvU said:
Here you find something about modulus and argument of complex numbers.

The snag in your example is that ##z^3 = 8i## has several solutions, so just dividing the principal value, sometimes denoted by ##\operatorname {Arg}(8i)## by 3 is not sufficient and one has to look at the full set ##\operatorname {Arg}(8i)+ 2k\pi##. So in the range ##(-\pi,\pi]## one third of that gives us ##{1\over 6}\pi ##, ##{5\over 6}\pi ## and ##-{1\over 2}\pi##, namely with (##k = 0, 1, -1##, respectively)
Thanks for answer! and i'll check the link. :D
 

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