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The discussion revolves around the concept of null vectors in the context of the Minkowski metric, exploring their properties and how they relate to spacetime vectors. Participants are attempting to clarify definitions and computations related to null vectors, particularly in relation to their components and the implications of traveling at or beyond the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a null vector as having all velocity in spatial components and none in time, expressing confusion about this characterization.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical definition of a null vector in relation to the Minkowski metric, stating that it satisfies a specific relation involving the metric tensor.
  • A different participant challenges the initial description of a null vector, asserting that a vector with only spatial components and a zero time component would be classified as spacelike, not null.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of vectors inside the light cone, with one participant suggesting that such vectors would also be spacelike.
  • One participant proposes an example of a null vector, providing a specific vector and explaining how to compute its length using the Minkowski metric.
  • Another participant corrects the initial claim about the nature of null vectors, stating that they have a time-like component equal to the magnitude of the space-like component.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and characteristics of null vectors, with no consensus reached on the initial descriptions or interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of vectors in relation to the light cone and their classifications.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of spacelike, timelike, and null vectors, as well as the implications of components in the context of the Minkowski metric. The terminology used by participants may lead to confusion about the properties of these vectors.

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So I have an issue understanding how to compute a matrix using the Minkowski metric as a null (read light-like) spacetime vector.
As best I can understand it, it is a vector which has all velocity in the spatial components and none in time.

Also, would a vector that transcends the speed of light mean that you are traveling through negative time? I don't really get how I should interpret a vector that is inside the light cone.


So I have
[-1 0 0 0]
[0 1 0 0 ]
[0 0 1 0 ]
[0 0 0 1 ]
for my matrix denoting the Minkowski metric (probably using wrong terminology)
what would a vector that determines a null vector be?
 
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Definition of Null Vevtor

$$\Lambda_{\mu\nu}$$ be your matrix, null vector $$x^\mu$$ satisfies the relation

$$x^\mu\Lambda_{\mu\nu} x^\nu=\Lambda_{\mu\nu} x^\nu x^\mu=0$$

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cy6nu5 said:
So I have an issue understanding how to compute a matrix using the Minkowski metric as a null (read light-like) spacetime vector.
As best I can understand it, it is a vector which has all velocity in the spatial components and none in time.

I'm not sure why you said velocity?, I hope I haven't misunderstood the question as a consquence of assuming you meant component.

A vector with only spacelike components and a zero time component would be a space-like vector, not a null vector.

Also, would a vector that transcends the speed of light mean that you are traveling through negative time? I don't really get how I should interpret a vector that is inside the light cone.

A vector inside the lightcone would also be a spacelike vector, as in your previous example.


So I have
[-1 0 0 0]
[0 1 0 0 ]
[0 0 1 0 ]
[0 0 0 1 ]
for my matrix denoting the Minkowski metric (probably using wrong terminology)
what would a vector that determines a null vector be?[/QUOTE]

An example of a null vector for your metric (which is Minkowskii) would be [1,0,0,1].
If we let X be your vector, with the components of your vector be ##x^0, x^1, x^2, x^3## , and the nonzero components of your matrix (as above) being written in the following notation ##g_{00} = -1, g_{11}=g_{22}=g_{33}=1##, then the length of your vector is

[tex]\sum_{\mu=0..3} \sum_{\nu=0..3} g_{\mu\nu} x^\mu x^\nu[/tex]

which for Minkowskii space is equivalent to

##-(x^0)^2 + (x^1)^2 + (x^2)^2 + (x^3)^2##

and a null vector is just a vector with a length of 0, such as the vector with ##x^0 = x^1 = 1## mentioned previously.
 
cy6nu5 said:
As best I can understand it, it is a vector which has all velocity in the spatial components and none in time.
No. It has a time-like component that equals the magnitude of the space-like component.
 

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