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Need help MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1

  1. Aug 29, 2012 #1
    Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    I am working on MTW's Gravitation and I came across a problem. In the attachment View attachment 50292 , I show my calculation and, finally, I show the contradiction that is,

    you can get a vanishing [itex]\Gamma^k_{\phantom{k}kk}[/itex] with Cartan's equation

    but, at the same time,

    you can also get a non-vanishing [itex]\Gamma^k_{\phantom{k}kk}[/itex] by simply inserting metric into the definition of connection coefficients.

    What's wrong with my calculation? I need your help. Thank you!
     

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  3. Aug 30, 2012 #2

    Ben Niehoff

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    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    You should number all your equations, because the ones I need to refer to are not.

    I have not checked your calculation of [itex]\omega[/itex]. However, when you change from the orthonormal basis to the coordinate basis, are you sure you used the correct change of basis? A connection is not a tensor; a change of basis includes an extra derivative term.
     
  4. Aug 30, 2012 #3
    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    Thanks for your reply, and I've already uploaded a new document where I numbered all the equations. Sorry for this inconvenience.

    You have a good point. A connection isn't a tensor. However, I'm concerning how to add that extra derivative term. You know, you get that extra derivative term when you transfer from one coordinate basis to another coordinate basis, but here, you go from one non-coordinate basis to a coordinate one. Would you please give a hint? Thank you!
     
  5. Aug 30, 2012 #4

    Ben Niehoff

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    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    In all the places you see something like

    [tex]\frac{\partial x^\mu}{\partial y^\nu}[/tex]
    you can put a more general change-of-basis matrix.
     
  6. Aug 30, 2012 #5
    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    Thanks for your reply! But I think my way of changing basis is correct. You can see this example on Page 19 :http://physicssusan.mono.net/upl/9111/Lotsofcalculationsp.1326.pdf [Broken]
     
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  7. Aug 30, 2012 #6

    Ben Niehoff

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    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    Equation 5.14 in your reference is wrong, and could only have worked for most of the Christoffel symbols by coincidence. See "Change of frame" here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_form
     
  8. Aug 31, 2012 #7
    Re: Need help!!! MTW's Gravitation exercise 16.1!!!

    Thank you very much! This exactly solves my puzzle. :approve:
     
  9. Aug 31, 2012 #8
    Asking for help with MTW's problem 16.1

    I am working on MTW's Gravitation and I came across an annoying problem. I describe the problem and show my calculation in the attachment. Please download it and help me out.

    Thank you very much! :biggrin:
     

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  10. Sep 1, 2012 #9
    Re: Asking for help with MTW's problem 16.1

    This is a new post. I need your help! Thank you!
     
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