Need help on direction of acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a stone thrown from a bridge 9.5 m above water, with a focus on its vertical and horizontal motion. The original poster seeks to determine the initial vertical velocity, maximum height, horizontal velocity, and the distance traveled horizontally, given the total time for the stone to return to the bridge height is 0.5 seconds.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the sign of acceleration and whether it should be considered negative or positive. There is confusion about the total time for the stone's motion and whether it should be split into ascent and descent. Some participants question the interpretation of the problem statement regarding the height from which the stone is thrown and its landing position.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of time on the calculations. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been offered regarding the total time of flight and the need to consider the stone's motion both upward and downward.

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There is uncertainty about the clarity of the problem statement, particularly regarding whether the stone is thrown from the bridge height or if it falls to the water. This ambiguity affects the calculations and assumptions being made by participants.

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Homework Statement


The bridge is 9.5 m above the water and using his watch, Andrew measured the time it took for a stone, thrown by David to return to the height of the bridge to be .5 seconds.

a. what is the vertical velocity with which the stone left David's hand?
b. how high did the stone go over the water?
c. what was the magnutude of the stones velocity in the horizontal direction if it left david's hand at an angle of 38 degrees?
d. what distance from the base of the bridge did the stone travel?

Homework Equations


s=ut+1/2at^2

The Attempt at a Solution


The thing I am confused about is whether to put the acceleration negative or positive.
I let Vs=0
and then
0=ut+1/2at^2
0=0.5u-9.8*1/2*(0.5)^2
u=2.45 m s^-1

for part b) I did
At max height v=0
0=2.45^2+2*-9.8*s
s=0.306
so max height is 9.5+0.306?= 9.806 m

c)
tan 38=2.45/uH
uH=3.1358 ms^-1

d) sH=uH*t
3.1358*t
v^2=2.45^2-2*9.8*-9.5
...
and then I get a negative answer that cannot be square rooted :\

Is what I'm doing right? I'm not sure on the direction of acceleration :\
 
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Hi! :smile:

d) sH=uH*t
3.1358*t

Shouldn't you just fill in t=0.5 sec here?

v^2=2.45^2-2*9.8*-9.5
What are you calculating here?
 
I like Serena said:
Hi! :smile:
Shouldn't you just fill in t=0.5 sec here?What are you calculating here?

Hi :)
I thought t=0.5 was the time it takes for the ball to go up, and then reach the same height as the bridge. So with the Sh=Uh*t formula shouldn't the "t" be total time it takes for the ball to fall down again?

On that thing, I am trying to find the final velocity so I can find the total "t"
 
paperdoll said:
Hi :)
I thought t=0.5 was the time it takes for the ball to go up, and then reach the same height as the bridge. So with the Sh=Uh*t formula shouldn't the "t" be total time it takes for the ball to fall down again?

On that thing, I am trying to find the final velocity so I can find the total "t"

Well, you're problem statement isn't very clear, but I was thinking that "thrown by David to return to the height of the bridge" means that David threw the stone from the height of the bridge, and that the stone lands at the height of the bridge.
At least that is how you calculated (a), (b), and (c) if I'm not mistaken.
In particular it would mean that 0.5 seconds is the total time to go up and go down again.

Or am I misunderstanding the problem statement?
 
I like Serena said:
Well, you're problem statement isn't very clear, but I was thinking that "thrown by David to return to the height of the bridge" means that David threw the stone from the height of the bridge, and that the stone lands at the height of the bridge.
At least that is how you calculated (a), (b), and (c) if I'm not mistaken.
In particular it would mean that 0.5 seconds is the total time to go up and go down again.

Or am I misunderstanding the problem statement?

I'm a bit confused because the ball needs to go down to the water so it will go up, then go back to the same height as the bridge, and then go back down 9.5 m to the water...so total time shouldn't be 0.5 seconds
 
paperdoll said:
I'm a bit confused because the ball needs to go down to the water so it will go up, then go back to the same height as the bridge, and then go back down 9.5 m to the water...so total time shouldn't be 0.5 seconds

Ah, okay.
Btw, is it a stone or a ball? ;)

So the ball would go up for 0.25 seconds, down again for 0.25 seconds at which time it passes the bridge, and then further down until the water, yes?

So what you would like to know is the total time, so you can use that in your formula sH=uH*t, right?

How much time does it take the ball to drop from its highest point to the water?
 
I like Serena said:
Ah, okay.
Btw, is it a stone or a ball? ;)

So the ball would go up for 0.25 seconds, down again for 0.25 seconds at which time it passes the bridge, and then further down until the water, yes?

So what you would like to know is the total time, so you can use that in your formula sH=uH*t, right?

How much time does it take the ball to drop from its highest point to the water?

Oh! so I should find the time to drop from the highest point and then add 0.25?
 
paperdoll said:
Oh! so I should find the time to drop from the highest point and then add 0.25?

Yep. That's the easiest method I can think of.

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