Need Help Proving Powerset Inequality

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The discussion revolves around proving the powerset inequality: Powerset(A) U Powerset(B) ⊆ Powerset(A ∪ B). Participants seek guidance on how to approach this proof, exploring various methods and reasoning related to set theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests tips on proving the powerset inequality, expressing uncertainty about the proof process.
  • Another suggests showing that an element in the left-hand side is also in the right-hand side, noting the inherent truth of the statement complicates the proof.
  • Questions are raised about the definitions of being in the powerset and the union of sets, indicating a need for clarity on these concepts.
  • Several participants propose using proof by cases, with one mentioning the Addition Rule of Inference as a helpful tool.
  • There is a discussion about conditions under which the powerset inequality could become an equality.
  • Some participants suggest that proving the reverse inclusion leads to contradictions, while others emphasize the need for a direct proof approach.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of how to demonstrate that elements of the union of powersets are contained in the powerset of the union.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of understanding the implications of strict set inequalities in the context of the proof.

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Participants express a range of views on how to approach the proof, with no consensus on a single method or interpretation of the powerset inequality. Some advocate for direct proof, while others suggest exploring contradictions or alternative approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions and definitions related to set operations and powersets, indicating that clarity on these points is essential for the proof. There are also unresolved questions about the conditions for equality in powerset relations.

Hallucigen
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Hey everyone,
Can I get some tips on this proof?

Powerset(A) U Powerset(B) ⊆ Powerset(A ∪ B)

not too sure how to prove that this is true... maybe some pointers? thanks. :biggrin:
 
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Take something in the left hand side, and show it is in the right hand side. Although, this is one of those questions that is obviously true, and therefore it is difficult to jude precisely what one is required to write down for the teacher.
 
What does it mean to be in the powerset of A? And what does it mean to be in the union?

That's all you need to know.
 
Couple of pointers.

1. Set union is defined in terms of logical or. This should suggest proof by cases, where you will need only show details in case 1. Then state that case 2 follows mutatis mutandis. (See how your prof reacts to that.)

2. The Addition Rule of Inference will make life very easy in the case 1 "details".
 
btw, a good question for you, is what condition on the sets should be met in order to be an equality?
 
Think idempotence.
 
Show that for arbitrary A and B

Powerset(A) U Powerset(B) ⊃ Powerset(A ∪ B)

leads to a contradiction.
 
EnumaElish said:
Show that for arbitrary A and B
Powerset(A) U Powerset(B) ⊃ Powerset(A ∪ B)
leads to a contradiction.
Contradicting
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \supset \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

is not enough, as it only proves
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \subseteq \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]
(logical) OR
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \ne \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

To prove the OP statement, Hallucigen must also then contradict
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \ne \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

Hallucigen said:
Powerset(A) U Powerset(B) ⊆ Powerset(A ∪ B)
Why not just apply a simple direct proof? :redface:

[tex]x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \, \cup \, \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \Rightarrow x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \, \vee \, x \in \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \Rightarrow x \subseteq A \, \vee \, x \subseteq B \Rightarrow x \subseteq A \, \cup \, B \Rightarrow x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

so therefore,
[tex]\thus \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \subseteq \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]
 
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bomba923 said:
To prove the OP statement, Hallucigen must also then contradict...

Since the proof will demonstrate that there is an element of P(AuB) not in P(A) or P(B) (since the reverse inclusion is clearly true), this is not particularly relevant information. Plus, not every one uses the strict set inequality symbol to mean strict set inequality.
 
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My post #7 should have read:

Show either ⊆ or ⊃ must be the case,
Show ⊃ leads to a contradiction.
 
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bomba923 said:
Contradicting
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \supset \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

is not enough, as it only proves
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \subseteq \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]
(logical) OR
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \ne \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

To prove the OP statement, Hallucigen must also then contradict
[tex]\mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \ne \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]


Why not just apply a simple direct proof? :redface:

[tex]x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \, \cup \, \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \Rightarrow x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \, \vee \, x \in \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \Rightarrow x \subseteq A \, \vee \, x \subseteq B \Rightarrow x \subseteq A \, \cup \, B \Rightarrow x \in \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

so therefore,
[tex]\thus \mathcal{P} \left( A \right) \cup \mathcal{P} \left( B \right) \subseteq \mathcal{P} \left( A \cup B \right)[/tex]

How to use your method the prove/disprove this proof?
Powerset(A ∩ B) = Powerset(A) ∩ Powerset(B)
 
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jacktsoi said:
How to use your method the prove/disprove this proof?
Powerset(A ∩ B) = Powerset(A) ∩ Powerset(B)
To prove that theorem, you could use these theorems:

[tex]\forall X, Y, Z \ [Y = Z \leftrightarrow (X \in Y \leftrightarrow X \in Z)][/tex]
[tex]\forall X, Y \ [X \in \mathcal{P}(Y) \leftrightarrow X \subseteq Y][/tex]
[tex]\forall X, Y, Z \ [X \in (Y \cap Z) \leftrightarrow (X \in Y \wedge X \in Z)][/tex]
 
  • #13
You take an element X of Powerset(A) union Powerset(B)

X is either a subset of A or a subset of B.

Since Powerset(A union B) contains all subsets of A union B it contains all subsets of A that do not contain elements of B and all subsets of B that do not contain elements of A. Therefore, X is in Powerset(A union B)

Since every X in Powerset(A) union Powerset(B) is in Powerset(A union B), it follows that Powerset(A) union Powerset(B) is a subset of Powerset(A union B)

Thats a proof... you should not need to do anything fancier than give an explanation like that.
 

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