Need help proving solution of a differential equation

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The discussion revolves around proving the general solution to the differential equation dy/dx = (y - (y^2))/x. Participants are exploring the integration process and the manipulation of logarithmic expressions to arrive at the solution.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the equation and the subsequent steps to simplify the result. There are questions about the correctness of the integration and the manipulation of logarithmic functions. Some participants share their interpretations and transformations of the equation, while others seek clarification on specific steps.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to combine logarithmic terms and raise expressions to the exponential function. There is a recognition of different approaches to simplification, and some participants express newfound understanding based on the exchanges.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the integration process and the notation of constants. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the steps taken during simplification and the handling of logarithmic identities.

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I need help proving the general soultion to this equation, dy/dx=(y-(y^2))/x, is x/(x+C)

where C cannot equal -x. When I separate the variables and integrate I get

ln|y|-ln|1-y|=ln|x|+C, and I cannot make this look like the general solution. I'm not sure if

I did the integration wrong but I think it is right. I am not too sure what to do after I

integrate. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
 
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Your integration is correct. Try combining the ln y functions and then raising both sides to the e power. From there, it should just be a simplification problem to solve.
 
Once you simplify, you may not see it right away I noticed when doing the simplification myself.

You should end up with y=-xc/(1-xc) but if we multiply the top and the bottom by (-1/c)/(-1/c), we would get x/[(-1/c)+x]. -1/c=c2 or C depending on how you want to notate it. Thus, yielding x/(C+x)
 
Im not sure how you ended up with y=-xc/(1-xc) when I combine the ln functions and raise to the e power I get y/(1-y)=x+C then you can change that into (1-y)/y=1/(x+C), then (1/y)-1=(1/x+C) I am not sure if that is the way you did it so can you please elaborate more on how you got y=-xc/(1-xc). Sorry if I am being difficult i usually don't have this much trouble with these kind of problems. thanks
 
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First of all, elnx + c= Cx not x+c.

That means you will have y/(1-y)=Cx

Next, you need to multiple both sides by (1-y); thus, obtaining y=Cx(1-y)=Cx-ycx.

Now just add yCx to both sides. y+yCx=Cx.

Then factor: y(1+Cx)=Cx.

y=Cx/(1+Cx)

Multiple by (1/c)/(1/c) which is equal to 1.

y=x/((1/c)+x) and 1/c is just another constant.

y=x/(C2+x)
 
A HA! That makes perfect sense now you have to raise the entire right side of the equation to the e not just ln|x| to the e power plus c to the e power, because you raised ln|y/(1-y)| to the e power, wow, thanks you definitely saved me from a lot of frustration
 
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