Need help reducing exponential rotated plane wave

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The discussion revolves around simplifying an expression related to electromagnetic waves, specifically in the context of a problem resembling a Michelson interferometer. The expression involves terms with complex exponentials and magnitudes, prompting participants to explore potential simplifications.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the variables involved, particularly questioning whether 'k' and 'Δcos(θ)' are real and positive, which could simplify the problem. There are attempts to manipulate the expression using trigonometric identities and the properties of complex numbers. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of treating 'k' as a 4-vector versus a wavevector.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to simplifying the expression. Some participants have provided insights into the simplification of the second term, while others are still grappling with the first term. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the mathematical properties involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering complex conjugate terms in their calculations, and there is acknowledgment of missing information that may affect the simplification process. The original poster has indicated a desire to revert to a form involving exponentials, which adds another layer of complexity to the discussion.

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I have an EM problem (michelson interferometerish) where I have a term that I need to reduce. It is

[tex]|1+e^{ik \Delta cos\theta}|^{2}+| e^{ik \Delta sin\theta}|^{2}[/tex]

I have foiled it and squared the last term but is there something that I am missing. I am multiplying it by a large matrix and hope that it reduces to something simple.

Thanks in advance
 
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Are 'k' and 'Δcos(θ)' always real and positive? If so, it simplifies a fair bit. First of all, the second term is easy: it's just 1. The magnitude of a complex exponential is unity.

Similarly, the first term can be simplified a lot by applying the Euler relation for complex exponentials.
 
k I'll review that material. I should have said that k is a 4 vectore driven at a frequency in the z direction
 
Really? k is a 4-vector? Like, in the relativistic sense?

I would have thought that k would be the wavevector (an ordinary 3-vector) and k would be its magnitude, which is the wavenumber 2pi/lambda.
 
i understand that the second term is 1

but my attempt at reducing the first term

[tex]|1+e^{ik \Delta cos\theta}|=|(1+cos(k \Delta cos\theta))+i sin(k \Delta cos\theta)|[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{(1+cos(k \Delta cos\theta))^{2}+sin^{2}(k \Delta cos\theta)}[/tex]
[tex]=\sqrt{2+2cos(k \Delta cos\theta)}[/tex]

in which I'm stuck
 
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mmpstudent said:
i understand that the second term is 1

but my attempt at reducing the first term

[tex]|1+e^{ik \Delta cos\theta}|=|(1+cos(k \Delta cos\theta))+i sin(k \Delta cos\theta)|[/tex]
[tex]\sqrt{(1+cos(k \Delta cos\theta))^{2}+sin^{2}(k \Delta cos\theta)}[/tex]
[tex]=\sqrt{2+2cos(k \Delta cos\theta)}[/tex]

in which I'm stuck

It's squared. So you can get rid of the square root. Then you can add 1 to that. Isn't that much simpler?
 
yeah I guess, but i was hoping to be able to take it back into a form that would have exponentials again. I wonder if me dropping the complex conjugate terms in the prior steps be the reason why its not simplifying the way I want it to. I will try with them included i guess
 
mmpstudent said:
yeah I guess, but i was hoping to be able to take it back into a form that would have exponentials again.

You mean complex exponentials? I don't see why you want this, since the magnitude of those two complex numbers obviously gives you a real number, which would seem more desirable. BUT, if you really insist, I suppose you could always express the cosine term in terms of complex exponentials. You know how to do that, right?

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I wonder if me dropping the complex conjugate terms in the prior steps be the reason why its not simplifying the way I want it to. I will try with them included i guess

What complex conjugate terms?
 
I forgot I didn't post the whole problem in the beginning. Disregard the complex conjugate part. This might be helpful need to chug thru this now. Thanks
 

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