Need help to prove expressions using Fourier Expansion

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The discussion revolves around proving Fourier expansions for specific cases involving differential equations. Participants are exploring the relationships between different expressions and their Fourier representations, focusing on three distinct cases based on the values of parameters m and n.

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  • One participant requests assistance in proving that the left-hand side equals the right-hand side for three cases involving differential equations and Fourier expansions.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the Fourier transform for the function (1 - x/a), suggesting a need for clarification in the original question.
  • A participant clarifies that the function f1(x) = (1 - x/a) can be expressed using Fourier expansion, providing a series representation.
  • Another participant asks for the specific differential equation being solved, indicating a need for more context.
  • One participant provides additional equations and cases, reiterating the relationships between the derivatives and the Fourier expansions for both (1 - x/a) and (x/a).
  • Participants discuss the integration of the function (x/a) with cosine terms, indicating a struggle to proceed with the calculations.
  • There is mention of using Fourier expansion for both (1 - x/a) and (x/a), with expressions for their series forms provided.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of Fourier transforms to the functions in question. There is no consensus on the validity of the initial expressions or the next steps in the proof process.

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Some participants note limitations in the clarity of the original question and the assumptions regarding the functions being transformed. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the integration and expansion processes.

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Dear all,

Please help me to prove the Fourier expansion for three different cases as follows. I need some help to show that L.H.S = R.H.S

Case1: when m not equal to 0 and n not equal to 0.

dU^0/dz (1- x/a) - dU^a/dz (x/a) = -(2/m^2 Pi^2)(1- Cos[m*Pi]) [dUn^0/dz - dUn^a/dz]


Case2: when m = 0 and n not equal to 0.

dU^0/dz (1- x/a) - dU^a/dz (x/a) = -1/2 [dUn^0/dz + dUn^a/dz]


Case3: when m not equal to 0 and n = 0.

dU^0/dz (1- x/a) - dU^a/dz (x/a) = 0

where
dU^0/dz = dUn^0/dz Sin[ n*Pi*x/a] and dU^a/dz = dUn^a/dz Sin[ n*Pi*x/a].

The idea is that firstly using Fourier expansion, to expand (1 - x/a), then multiply with dU^0/dz, similarly, apply Fourier expansion for (x/a), then multiply with dU^a/dz.


Thanks for any help.
 
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I am not too sure what you're saying here, the function 1-x/a does not have a Fourier transform, can you possibly tex up your question
 
Apologies for the unclear statements.
f1(x) = (1-x/a) can be transformed using Fourier expansion into
bo +[itex]\Sigma[/itex] bm*Cos[m*Pi*x/a] and

f2(x) = x/a can be transformed using Fourier expansion into
ao + [itex]\Sigma[/itex]am*Cos[m*Pi*x/a]

Iam aware that the original equation of f(x) = ao +[itex]\Sigma[/itex]am*Cos[m*Pi*x/a] + bm Sin[m*Pi*x/a].

Hope this would helps.

Thank you.
 
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So:
[tex] f(x)=a_{0}+\sum_{m=1}^{\infty}a_{m}\cos\left(\frac{m\pi x}{a}\right) +b_{m}\sin\left(\frac{m\pi x}{a}\right)[/tex]

What is the differential equation you're trying to solve?
 
The only available data given to me are as follows:
-[itex]\frac{dU^{o}}{dz}[/itex] (1-[itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex]) - [itex]\frac{dU^{a}}{dz}[/itex]([itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex])........(1)

U[itex]^{o}[/itex] = U[itex]^{o}_{n}[/itex] *Sin[[itex]\frac{n*π*x}{a}[/itex]].......(2)

U[itex]^{a}[/itex] = U[itex]^{a}_{n}[/itex] *Sin[[itex]\frac{n*π*x}{a}[/itex]].......(3)

Case 1: m[itex]\neq[/itex]0 and n[itex]\neq[/itex]0:

eqn(1) = [itex]\frac{-2}{m^2*π^2}[/itex]*[1-cos(m*π)]*[[itex]\frac{dU^{0}_{n}}{dz}[/itex]-[itex]\frac{dU^{a}_{n}}{dz}[/itex]]

Case 2: m = 0 and n[itex]\neq[/itex]0:

eqn(1) = -[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex]*[[itex]\frac{dU^{0}_{n}}{dz}[/itex]+[itex]\frac{dU^{a}_{n}}{dz}[/itex]]

Case 3: m[itex]\neq[/itex]0 and n = 0:

eqn (1) = 0


Using Fourier expansion, I could expand the following:

([itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex]) [itex]\approx[/itex] a[itex]_{o}[/itex]+[itex]\sum[/itex] a[itex]_{m}[/itex]*Cos[[itex]\frac{m*Pi*x}{a}[/itex]]

[itex]\int[/itex][itex]^{0}_{a}[/itex] ([itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex])*Cos[[itex]\frac{L*m*x}{a}[/itex]] dx=[itex]\sum[/itex][itex]\int[/itex][itex]^{0}_{a}[/itex] a[itex]_{m}[/itex]*Cos[[itex]\frac{m*Pi*x}{a}[/itex]]*Cos[[itex]\frac{L*m*x}{a}[/itex]] dx

[itex]\int[/itex][itex]^{0}_{a}[/itex] ([itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex]) Cos[[itex]\frac{L*m*x}{a}[/itex]] dx= [itex]\sum[/itex][itex]\int[/itex][itex]^{0}_{a}[/itex] a[itex]_{m}[/itex]*[itex]\frac{1}{2}[/itex][Cos([itex]\frac{m*Pi*x}{a}[/itex]-[itex]\frac{L*Pi*x}{a}[/itex])+Cos([itex]\frac{m*Pi*x}{a}[/itex]+[itex]\frac{L*Pi*x}{a}[/itex])]dx

Note that L = m, then, Iam stucked up to this point. I have no idea how to proceed next.

Similarly, the above expansion can be used for (1 - [itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex]):

(1-[itex]\frac{x}{a}[/itex]) [itex]\approx[/itex] b[itex]_{o}[/itex]+[itex]\sum[/itex] b[itex]_{m}[/itex]*Cos[[itex]\frac{m*Pi*x}{a}[/itex]]



Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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