Need help with Schrödinger and some integration

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The discussion revolves around a wave function related to quantum mechanics, specifically involving Schrödinger's equation and the calculation of an expectation value through integration. The original poster presents a wave function and seeks assistance with integrating it, particularly in the context of using Hermite polynomials.

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of the wave function and its complex conjugate in the integral. There are questions about the meaning of the complex conjugate and how to perform the integration correctly. Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in the integration process.

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Basip
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My wave function:
##\psi_2=N_2 (4y^2-1) e^{-y^2/2}.##
Definition of some parts in the wavefunction ##y=x/a##, ##a= \left( \frac{\hbar}{mk} \right)##, ##N_2 = \sqrt{\frac{1}{8a\sqrt{\pi}}}## and x has an arrange from ##\pm 20\cdot 10^{-12}##.
Here is my integral:
##<x^2> = \int\limits_{-\infty}^{\infty}\psi_2^*x^2\psi_2dx.##
It should integrate it directly or with Hermite polynomials: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermite_polynomials
I don't know how to do that. And I does ##\psi_2^*## mean it is conjugated? Really need some help here. I don't know how to start. If someone could help me, it would be great!
Thank you very much in advance!
 
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Basip said:
I don't know how to do that.

What, specifically, do you not know how to do? What to substitute for ##\psi_2##? What to substitute for ##\psi^*_2##? How to evaluate the resulting integral?

Basip said:
does ψ∗2\psi_2^* mean it is conjugated?


Yes, ##\psi^*_2## is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##.
 
jtbell said:
What, specifically, do you not know how to do? What to substitute for ##\psi_2##? What to substitute for ##\psi^*_2##? How to evaluate the resulting integral?
Yes, ##\psi^*_2## is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##.
I don't what I should substitute ##\psi^*_2## with. ##\psi_2## would I substitute with the ##\psi_2## function and Integrate for the limits ##\pm \infty## (of course ##dx##). The same would I do with ##x^2##. I would do the same with ##\psi^*_2## and at the end I would * them together. Is it correct or totally wrong?

But still I don't know how to substitue ##\psi^*_2##.
 
Basip said:
I don't what I should substitute ##\psi^*_2## with. ##\psi_2## would I substitute with the ##\psi_2## function and Integrate for the limits ##\pm \infty## (of course ##dx##). The same would I do with ##x^2##. I would do the same with ##\psi^*_2## and at the end I would * them together. Is it correct or totally wrong?
That doesn't work: the integral of a product is not equal to the product of integrals. Try it for yourself: is ##\int x^2 dx = (\int x dx)^2## true?

Basip said:
But still I don't know how to substitue ##\psi^*_2##.
What is the complex conjugate of ##\psi^*_2##?
 
DrClaude said:
That doesn't work: the integral of a product is not equal to the product of integrals. Try it for yourself: is ##\int x^2 dx = (\int x dx)^2## true?What is the complex conjugate of ##\psi^*_2##?

I don't know what the complex conjugate og ##\psi^*_2## is. How to figure it out? I know what ##\psi_2## is.

When I know what ##\psi_2^*## is, I should just put it in the formula, insert the ##\psi_2## in the formula, find the product and then integrate, am I right?

But what is the complex conjugate of ##\psi_2##? How to figure it out? What is ##\psi_2^*## equal with when I know ##\psi_2##? But in this case ... is ##\psi^*_2 =\psi^2##?
 
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Generally speaking, how does one do complex conjugation?
 
Basip said:
But in this case ... is ##\psi^*_2 =\psi^2##?

No, but if you make a small change to the right side it will be correct!
 

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