Need help with transforming one PDE to another

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The discussion revolves around transforming a partial differential equation (PDE) into a different form using a change of variables. Participants explore the transformation of derivatives under the new variables and seek guidance on how to approach the problem without expecting a complete solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the original PDE and the desired transformation, expressing confusion about how to start the problem.
  • Another participant asks about the transformation of first and second order derivatives under the specified change of variables.
  • A different participant suggests using the chain rule to relate the derivatives of $u(x,t)$ with those of $w(\xi,\tau)$, specifically focusing on transforming the term $u_t$.
  • A participant provides the chain rule application, showing how to express $u_t$ in terms of $u_{\tau}$ and $u_{\xi}$, and mentions that similar expressions exist for other derivatives.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has recognized the chain rule from previous studies and expresses gratitude for the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the complete solution to the problem, and multiple approaches to the transformation are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the chain rule for derivatives but do not fully explore or verify the transformations for all terms in the PDE, leaving some steps unresolved.

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For quick reference if you have the text, the question is from "Applied Partial Differential Equations" by J. David Logan. Section 1.9 #4
Show that the equation $$u_{tt} - c^2 u_{xx} + au_t + bu_x + du = f(x,t)$$
can be transformed into an equation of the form
$$w_{\xi\tau} + kw = g(\xi,\tau), w = w(\xi,\tau)$$
by first making the transformation $$\xi = x - ct, \tau = x + ct$$ and then letting $$u = w\exp{\alpha\xi + \beta\tau}$$ for some alpha and beta

I'm completely stumped at how to solve this problem, but I do not expect a solution, only a way to begin so I can get used to problems like these in general.
 
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Do you know how to transform first and second order derivatives under the change of variables

$\xi = x - ct$ and $\tau = x+ct$?
 
I honestly have no idea. I know that you have to relate $u(x,t)$ with $w(\xi,\tau)$ and then use the chain rule. If you could help me with finding one derivative, like transforming the term $u_t$ I will try the others on my own. Thank you for your reply
 
Here's the chain rule from Calc 3 (well, Calc 3 in US universities)

$u_t = u_{\tau} \tau_t + u_{\xi} \xi_t$

so if $\tau$ and $\xi$ are defined above, this becomes

$u_t = cu_{\tau} - c u_{\xi}$.

There are similar expressions for $u_x$, $u_{tt}$, $u_{tx}$ and $u_{xx}$.
 
Danny said:
Here's the chain rule from Calc 3 (well, Calc 3 in US universities)

$u_t = u_{\tau} \tau_t + u_{\xi} \xi_t$

so if $\tau$ and $\xi$ are defined above, this becomes

$u_t = cu_{\tau} - c u_{\xi}$.

There are similar expressions for $u_x$, $u_{tt}$, $u_{tx}$ and $u_{xx}$.

Ah, I have seen that before in another class! I think I understand now. Thank you, thank you!
 

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