Need (or not) for invoking axiom of choice in a certain case

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The discussion centers on the necessity of invoking the Axiom of Choice (AC) in the context of differentiable manifolds and their associated metrics. Participants argue that while every differentiable manifold admits a Riemannian metric, the proof of this theorem does not require AC due to the properties inherent in the definition of differentiable manifolds, specifically their countable basis. The conversation also explores the implications of using a pseudoriemannian metric and the challenges of defining lengths of curves without a canonical choice of inner product, suggesting that weaker forms of choice, such as countable choice (CC), may be sufficient in certain contexts.

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  • Differentiable Manifolds
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  • Axiom of Choice and its Variants
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I don't have any references or names. I saw the discussion at the end of a talk once.
 
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martinbn said:
I don't have any references or names. I saw the discussion at the end of a talk once.
That's too bad, this site doesn't consider valid such claims without any reference.
 
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WWGD said:
Eye of the Tiger, Marciano. Eye of the Tiger!
That was for Balboa, but it's ok. ;)
 
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lavinia said:
Thanks for the reference but it is pretty useless. It is a bad sign when a ten year old preprint hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal. The basic argument the author use to avoid the axiom of choice is to recurr to a choice of three-dimensional geometry and giving up coordinate independence in 4 dimensions.
 
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RockyMarciano said:
That's too bad, this site doesn't consider valid such claims without any reference.
Excuse me! Are you trying to be patronizing. Arrogance is something you need to earn.
 
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martinbn said:
Excuse me! Are you trying to be patronizing. Arrogance is something you need to earn.
And I guess you think you've earned it.
But no, I'm not. I was just reminding you a rule that I thought that everyone and specially a SA should have in mind.
 
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