Negative sign in hopping amplitude

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the negative sign in the hopping amplitude used in the Hubbard model and related tight-binding models. Participants explore theoretical implications, conventions, and physical interpretations of this sign in various contexts, including quantum chemistry and lattice models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of the negative sign in the hopping amplitude, suggesting it may be a matter of convention.
  • Others argue that the negative sign is not merely a convention and has real physical implications, particularly in systems where consistent numbering of neighboring atoms is not possible.
  • A participant notes that changing the sign of the hopping amplitude in the Hubbard Hamiltonian could have significant effects, although they seek clarification on what those differences might be.
  • One participant discusses the infinite U limit, explaining how the sign of the hopping amplitude relates to the delocalization of electrons and energy lowering.
  • Another participant mentions that in perturbation theory, the sign of the hopping amplitude can affect contributions in higher orders, especially in systems with an odd number of atoms.
  • It is noted that the sign of the hopping amplitude influences the minimum energy orbital in the tight-binding model, depending on the type of atomic orbital involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the negative sign is a convention or has significant physical consequences. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the implications of the sign in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions and assumptions about the models discussed, and the implications of changing the sign of the hopping amplitude are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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Might be a naive question.

In many places, specially in the Hubbard model, people use a minus sign before the tight-binding hopping amplitude. What does the negative sign signify for? Any special intention?


Thanks.
 
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The hopping amplitude is something like \langle\phi_j| T_\mathrm{kin}|\phi_i\rangle, hence it's sign is well defined although there is a certain arbitrariness in the choice of the phase of the phi_i.
 
DrDu said:
The hopping amplitude is something like \langle\phi_j| T_\mathrm{kin}|\phi_i\rangle, hence it's sign is well defined although there is a certain arbitrariness in the choice of the phase of the phi_i.

That's true. But there must be a meaning for keeping this minus sign. I have seen Hubbard's original paper. Surprisingly that paper does not have this minus sign!

If the sign is just a matter of convention, then why unnecessarily an extra minus was chosen as a convention?


Thanks.
 
No, it is not just a convention, it makes a real physical difference, at least in lattices where you cannot consistently number neighbouring atoms as 1 or 2. A simple example is azulene in the Hueckel model (which is basically the Hubbard model in quantum chemistry)
 
DrDu said:
No, it is not just a convention, it makes a real physical difference, at least in lattices where you cannot consistently number neighbouring atoms as 1 or 2. A simple example is azulene in the Hueckel model (which is basically the Hubbard model in quantum chemistry)

Sorry. Still not clear to me. What if I write

$t_{ij}$ instead of $-t_{ij}$ in the kinetic part of the Hubbard Hamiltonian?

Does it make any difference? If yes, then what difference?
 
@DrDu

Sorry, the latex didn't work! I guess, you could follow the notation.

And I think, the Huckel model and the tight-binding model are equivalent. Hopping from one site to other site is similar to hopping from one orbital to another orbital.
 
Consider the infinite U limit. Here the electrons are frozen at the lattice sites because the U prohibits double occupancy, even as a virtual state. Now if you tune U to a finite value then electrons start hopping in the process getting delocalized, thus lowering its energy.

The sign of t captures this lowering of energy.

P.S. : I can't seem to construct an argument as to why delocalization would lower the energy :(
 
At large U, t can be taken into account perturbationally. As t is non-diagonal, it can make a contribution beginning with second order which will be proportional to t^2/(-U). Hence it is negative (stabilizing) and does not depend on the sign of t.
However, when going around a ring with an odd number of atoms, the sign does matter in higher orders, e.g. for a ring of three atoms the you get a contribution t_12*t_23*t_31/(-U)^2. For simple orbitals, like hydrogen 1s, t is negative, typically, whence these terms lead to a stabilization.
 
hbaromega said:
Might be a naive question.

In many places, specially in the Hubbard model, people use a minus sign before the tight-binding hopping amplitude. What does the negative sign signify for? Any special intention?


Thanks.
The sign of t is significant. For example in tight binding model it determines where is the minimum energy orbital: at k=0 or at k=Pi/2

Let us for example consider polymer of atoms with s atomic valent orbital. It is evident,that k=0 (LCAO) orbital has minimum energy.
If we take polymer of atoms with p atomic orbital we get minimum energy orbital with |k|=Pi/2

LCAO: Linear Combination of Atomic Orbitals

I can recommend the book of Nobel Prize winner in chemistry:
Roald Hoffmann, Solids and surfaces: A Chemist's View of bonding in extended structures, 1988
pages: 4-9
 
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