Net Angular Momentum: Clarifying Confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of net angular momentum in quantum mechanics, specifically regarding the angular momentum of an electron in a hydrogen atom, combining both orbital and spin contributions. Participants express confusion over the textbook's ambiguous language and the distinction between quantum numbers and actual angular momentum values.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the textbook's ambiguity regarding the net angular momentum of an electron, questioning whether the author refers to the Z component, squared values, or quantum numbers.
  • Another participant suggests that the angular momentum could be l+0.5 when aligned and l-0.5 when antiparallel, but notes the existence of intermediate values depending on l, which the textbook does not clarify.
  • There is a mention of the quantum number j being defined as j = l ± s, with a participant questioning if the textbook is referring to this quantum number rather than actual angular momentum values.
  • Participants highlight the need for a clearer explanation of the relationship between angular momentum values and quantum numbers, with one noting that addition of angular momentum should be covered in standard quantum mechanics textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the textbook refers to quantum numbers or actual total angular momentum values, indicating ongoing confusion and disagreement regarding the interpretation of the material.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the textbook's explanations, particularly regarding the definitions and relationships between angular momentum and quantum numbers, which remain unresolved.

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Really don't like this book, he's crazy ambiguous, I've looked it up myself on the internet and it makes far more sense, but it's our textbook so I have to understand what he's trying to say.

We're coupling the angular momentum of an electron's orbital and spin based angular momentum. And he says verbatim:

"If a hydrogen atom is in the state, l,m,n, the net angular momentum of the electron (spin+orbital) is l+0.5, l-0.5"

So I have no idea if he's talking about in the Z component, the squared, or what, he also doesn't say that he's omitted the h units, I only know that those are the units from other textbooks, also it would seem he is talking about the quantum number j, not actually the total angular momentum, which he hasn't actually explained. So I have no idea what he is talking about.

If he is talking about the z component well Lz on the state would be mh wouldn't it, and then Sz would also be mh. So the total would be 2mh, he's clearly not talking about this.

So i figured he must be talking about the quantum number, which he hasn't explained at all I had to research to find:

j = l +/- s

But then he goes on to say if we add in the proton, we get, l+1, l or l-1. But if he is indeed talking about the quantum number j, then you only get:

j = l + 1, l - 1, 0

So am I right to assume he's talking about the quantum number total angular momentum, and not actually adding the angular momenta from orbit and spin and getting the number l+0.5 and l-0.5

Please clarify this. Thanks.
 
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I mean it would be true that the angular momentum is l+0.5, on the top rung if the two are aligned so to speak, and l-0.5 if the two are antiparallel so to speak, but there are so many potentials in between depending on l, and he hasn't talked about this at all or explained what the hell he is talking about.
 
cooev769 said:
I mean it would be true that the angular momentum is l+0.5, on the top rung if the two are aligned so to speak, and l-0.5 if the two are antiparallel so to speak, but there are so many potentials in between depending on l...
[itex]j = \ell + 1/2[/itex] and [itex]j = \ell - 1/2[/itex] are the only two values for definite [itex]j[/itex]. Addition of angular momentum should be covered in any decent QM textbook.

You can look at the section beginning on page 151 here
http://www-thphys.physics.ox.ac.uk/people/JamesBinney/qb.pdf
 
Yes but is this a quantum number or is this the actual total angular momentum values, that is what is not made explicit in this textbook.
 

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