Neumann BVP steady state solution

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The discussion revolves around finding a steady state solution to a Neumann boundary value problem described by the equation U_t = u_{xx} - 4U, with specific boundary conditions and an initial condition involving a cosine function. The participants are exploring the implications of the boundary conditions on the existence of a steady state solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential use of separation of variables and eigenfunction expansion as methods for solving the problem. There is a questioning of the validity of finding a steady state solution given the boundary conditions, with some expressing uncertainty about the applicability of these methods in this context.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different methods that could be applied, such as Laplace transforms and Green's functions. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and while some guidance has been offered regarding potential methods, there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge posed by the boundary conditions, particularly the implications of the Neumann conditions on the existence of a steady state solution. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's discomfort with the assumption that a steady state solution can exist under the given conditions.

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Homework Statement


U_t = u_{xx} - 4U
u_x (0, t) = 0, u_x (\pi, t) = 1
u(x, 0) = 4cos(4x)

Find a steady state solution to the boundary value problem.


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The Attempt at a Solution


Well I'm quite comfortable solving dirichlet/ mixed boundary value problems of this form. I was under the impression that you must search for a solution of the form
u(x,t) = w(x,t) + v(x,t) where, w(x, t) = ax^2 + bx + ct Since there cannot be a steady state solution because the boundary value rates of change are not equal, so there cannot be a solution that doesn't change with time.

I have the solution, and it sets U_t = 0 and goes about finding the 'steady state' solution and finding the eigenfunctions, but that seems wrong to me because of the reasons mentioned above. So I'm just wondering where my thinking is going wrong and why you can find a steady state solution to a neumann boundary value problem of this type.
 
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What about separation of variables, transform methods (Laplace transform in t perhaps) or even Greens functions.
 
Separation of variables along with eigenfunction expansion are the only methods i have learned for solving PDEs as of yet, so maybe I just haven't learned the proper method for this question.

The solution I have uses separation of variables, but I'm just questioning why you can use separation of variables to find a steady state solution, when it seems to me that one shouldn't exist due to the boundary conditions.
 
I am pretty sure that taking the Laplace transform in t will solve your problem nicely
 

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