Neutral Current - Neutrons and Neutrinos

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of neutral current interactions, specifically focusing on the process involving neutrinos and neutrons, and the subsequent production of other particles. Participants explore the implications of these interactions, the role of pions, and the detection methods used in experiments such as those conducted in bubble chambers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a pion can be produced in the interaction \(\bar{\nu}_\mu + n \longrightarrow \bar{\nu}_\mu + X\), suggesting that the interaction should conserve particle identity and only change momentum.
  • Another participant mentions that energy must be supplied to the system for a pion to be produced, indicating a requirement for energy conservation in the process.
  • It is proposed that pions interact strongly with nucleons, leading to the possibility of a neutron producing a proton and a pion during the interaction.
  • A participant presents a diagram of the interaction, speculating on the involvement of gluons or photons in the process, while expressing uncertainty about their origin.
  • One participant refers to a previous post for additional information, indicating that there may be more context available regarding the neutral current interactions.
  • Another participant outlines a sequence of events where a neutrino interacts with a neutron, leading to the production of a proton and a pion, suggesting that nucleons can "shake off" pions upon interaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the production of pions and the mechanics of the neutral current interactions. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the processes involved or the conditions required for the production of additional particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of detecting neutral particles like neutrons and neutrinos in bubble chambers, which only visualize charged particles. The discussion also touches on the energy requirements for particle production, indicating a need for further clarification on conservation laws and interaction dynamics.

Ahmes
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Hi,
We were told in a very-elementary elementary particles course, that a neutral current event was first observed in the following process:
[tex]\bar{\nu}_\mu + n \longrightarrow \bar{\nu}_\mu + X[/tex]
were X is "something other than muon" (n was a neutron).

I thought about it, and I don't know how X can be something other than a n, a neutron. The interaction between the neutrino and one of the neutron's quark is second order and flavor conserving, so only the momentum changes and not the particle identity.

Yet, I've searched the internet and found that it can also be:
[tex]X=n + \pi^0[/itex]<br /> Where did the pion come from? there should be a photon or a gluon involved if it is to appear from the vacuum. How will the correct diagram look like? And what other things could X be?<br /> <br /> And maybe even a more important question - the experiment was said to be done inside of a bubble chamber - BUT WE CAN ONLY SEE CHARGED PARTICLES THERE, NOT NEUTRONS, NEUTRINOS & NEUTRAL PIONS...<br /> <br /> Can someone help?<br /> Thanks![/tex]
 
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Re Bubble Chamber:
Wiki said:
Gargamelle was a giant particle detector at CERN, designed mostly for the detection of neutrinos. Gargamelle was a bubble chamber that held nearly 12 cubic meters of freon (CF3Br). It operated for many years at the CERN PS and SPS.

There must be energy put into the system for the pion to be there.

A really elementary introduction to the neutral current is given here at hyperphysics:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/particles/neucur.html
 
Pions interact strongly with nucleons, so often if you hit a nucleon, a pion will be produced. The struck neutron could have produced a proton and a pi-, each of which would be seen in a bubble chamber.
 
OK, the process is detectable if the resultant particles are charged. Let's say they really are a pi- and a proton.

u ----->---- u
d ----->---- d
000000000-->-- u
gluon? ---<
000000000--<-- ubar
d ----->---- d
00000|
00000|Z
00000|
ν ----->---- ν

(Don't notice the white zeros - they are just for alignment)

If that is the diagram - then there's still the gluon or photon that comes from nowhere...
 
Ahmes said:
Hi,
We were told in a very-elementary elementary particles course, that a neutral current event was first observed in the following process:
[tex]\bar{\nu}_\mu + n \longrightarrow \bar{\nu}_\mu + X[/tex]
were X is "something other than muon" (n was a neutron).
Hey,

I refer you to a post from our Elementary Particles Presented thread in which you will find ALL the necessary information you are looking for. Click on the links in the end of the page !

regards
marlon
 
The first step is nu+n-->nu_+n.
Then n-->p+ pi. Anytime you hit a nucleon it can shake off pions.
 

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