Neutrino collision with a proton,neutron or an electron?

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The discussion revolves around the interactions of neutrinos with protons, neutrons, and electrons, exploring the nature of these interactions, the conditions under which they occur, and the implications of neutrino behavior in various contexts. It includes theoretical considerations, potential reaction pathways, and the challenges associated with detecting neutrinos.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that neutrinos are highly non-interacting but can interact under certain conditions without violating conservation laws.
  • One participant suggests that while neutrinos interact with the weak force, the concept of a head-on collision with an electron is problematic due to the nature of point particles.
  • Several possible interactions are proposed, including reactions involving neutrinos and protons or electrons, such as νe + p → n + e+ and νe + e → μ + νμ.
  • Participants discuss the likelihood of solar neutrinos interacting with protons in Earth, questioning the justification of assuming all neutrinos pass through without interaction.
  • There is a discussion about reverse processes involving neutrinos and nuclear reactions, with one participant emphasizing the extremely low probability of such events occurring due to weak interactions and energy thresholds.
  • One participant corrects a previous claim about electron interactions, stating that beta decay is a key example of weak force interactions involving electrons.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of particle interactions versus collisions, introducing the idea of cross-sections as a measure of interaction probability.
  • Interactions involving W and Z bosons are discussed, highlighting the complexity of neutrino interactions and their implications for neutrino oscillations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of neutrino interactions, the feasibility of collisions, and the implications of weak force interactions. There is no consensus on several points, particularly regarding the likelihood and mechanisms of interactions between neutrinos and electrons.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the conditions required for neutrino interactions, including energy thresholds and the statistical nature of particle interactions. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations regarding weak force interactions and the behavior of neutrinos.

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what happens if a neutrino hits head on with a proton,neutron or an electron?
 
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A neutrino is highly non interacting. But there are possibilities for interaction so long as no conservation law is broken.
 


From what I remember, a neutrino does interact with the weak force. So if it hits a proton or neutron head on, then it will be affected. An electron is a point particle, so you can't get another point particle, such as a neutrino, to hit "head on" with it in some sense. The electron doesn't interact with the weak force anyway, from what I know, so there would be no effect, except perhaps gravitational forces.
 


Several possibilities. Among them:

νe + p → n + e+

νe + e → μ + νμ
 


so if u calculate number of protons in Earth and still considering that all solar neutrinos pass through it is not justifiable is it?
 


jayaramas said:
so if u calculate number of protons in Earth and still considering that all solar neutrinos pass through it is not justifiable is it?

I assume you mean it is unlikely, yes? Unlikely is not the same as impossible. It is a valid question.
 


what is the reverse process? any way neutrino came from a nuclear reaction, so a fast moving neutrino can hit and attains its position back. why is it not likely?
 


jayaramas said:
what is the reverse process? any way neutrino came from a nuclear reaction, so a fast moving neutrino can hit and attains its position back. why is it not likely?

Consider
n → p + e^{-} + \bar{\nu}_{e}
The chances of the products all colliding back together at the same time are negligibly tiny.

but ok fine you could have a slightly different process:
p + \bar{\nu}_{e} → n + e^{+}
In this case I think the problem is that neutrinos interact very weakly and the scattering has to exceed a minimum threshold energy to happen (since this reaction requires energy input), and this has a very low chance of occurring. i.e. you would need very fast neutrinos indeed to start with, and even then they will hardly interact anyway.
 
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Basically, these inverse decay processes are how neutrinos are detected in neutrino detectors.
 
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jetwaterluffy said:
The electron doesn't interact with the weak force anyway, from what I know, so there would be no effect, except perhaps gravitational forces.

Not true. Actually, beta decay is the paradigmatic weak force interaction.
 
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bbbeard said:
Not true. Actually, beta decay is the paradigmatic weak force interaction.

Yeah, I worked that out after I had already posted. However, I still can't see how they can "collide".
 
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jetwaterluffy said:
Yeah, I worked that out after I had already posted. However, I still can't see how they can "collide".

Think of it as an interaction, rather than a collision.

A particular particle interaction has a measure of reactivity which is termed a cross-section. As the name suggests, this quantity is actually in units of area - it could be expressed in square metres, though the more commonly used unit is the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_(unit)" . But you can loosely think of this as the "target area" that the other particle has to "hit" for an interaction to occur.

An electron and an (anti-)neutrino can combine to form a W- boson. In any practical scenario, this W- will be virtual as its mass is far larger than those of the incoming particles, so it will almost immediately decay again, and can usually only decay back into another e and neutrino because any other decay route would produce particles of higher energy. So the end result in this case is simply an elastic collision.

But electrons and (non-anti-)neutrinos can also interact. In this case, the electron could give off a W- and thereby transform itself into a neutrino, while the W- is absorbed by the original neutrino and is thus transformed into an electron. Swap ya! :smile: (Alternatively, the neutrono could emit a W+ which the electron then absorbs, with the same end result.) Again, this is an elastic collision.

The second type of interaction can also take place but with a Z0 instead of a W. In this case the electron could interact with either a neutrino or an anti-neutrino. Interactions with Z0 do not change the identities of the incoming particles.

These interactions all have extremely small cross-sections - but they do happen. The W interactions are the basis of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSW_effect" which has to be taken account of when looking at neutrino oscillations where the neutrinos have traveled through regions containing matter.
 
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